- EURO-Discuss - lists.icann.org

Re: [EURO-Discuss] Agenda and Meeting Page for Today's Teleconference
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Eek - yes of course - sorry for the confusion. On 03/05/07, susie sandford smith <sandfordsmith(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > the meeting is not today, it's tomorrow. well that's when i've booked it > for, Friday May 4th at 4pm UTC > > > > > > On 5/3/07, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Dear Colleagues: > > > > We've prepared the following page on www.euralo.org for the meeting > > today - it includes the dial-in details, and will be updated after the > > call with > > > > * Recording for download > > * Transcript for viewing > > > > https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?4_may_2007 > > > > -- > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > > Skype: nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

1 0

Agenda and Meeting Page for Today's Teleconference
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Dear Colleagues: We've prepared the following page on www.euralo.org for the meeting today - it includes the dial-in details, and will be updated after the call with * Recording for download * Transcript for viewing https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?4_may_2007 -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

2 1

Re: [EURO-Discuss] PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE - 30th April
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

It appears that we should schedule the call for May 4th, then, at at 1600 UTC / 1700 UK / 1800 Continental time. Any objections? On 26/04/07, Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> wrote: > Rudi Vansnick ha scritto: > > Hi Nick, > > > > I'll not be able as I'm away for a few days (holidays). I will be back > > on the 2nd. > > Me too - I think many in Europe are taking their only chance of a few > days' break between Sunday 29th and Tuesday 1st (which is a holiday). I > might be able to find a phone to receive a call where I am (visiting a > friend in Munich) but I'd rather have the call on the 3rd or 4th, if > possible. But I wouldn't mind missing the call either, if this is > impossible. > -- > vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- > --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

9 9

Nominations update IV
by Dequinto May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Dear all, I would like to thanky Andres for his help about my nomination. I confirm it and I send again my presentation. Best Regards, Francisco de Quinto _____________________________________________ Paco de Quinto candidature for EURID's Board _____________________________________________ I am a lawyer and a economist, and since 1999 my speciality is legal consultancy on new technologies. My contact with ICANN goes back to 2001. I have been member of ISOC-CAT's Board during 2004-2005, period in which I directly assisted with the legal incorporation of ISOC-ECC in Barcelona. Later on, I kept collaborating with the subsequent ISOC-CAT boards on legal and accounting issues. I am a selected arbitrator of the DotCAT Foundation to solve conflicts in the adjudication of ".cat" domain names. Professionally, I have had the chance to successfully take part in several domain names recovery proceedings within the framework of the ICANN Unified Conflicts Solutions Policy. I am preparing a PhD thesis in new technology law about "digital identity management" in the Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya (UPC), and I am actually participating in several 7th framework European research programs. I think my legal and accounting experience could be very useful to consolidate the "birth" of EURALO, assisting with the drafting of legal agreements, the establishment of voting procedures, and, if this is finally the case, with the legal incorporation of the entity. Moreover, my knowledge on the legal aspects of the domain name system could be very useful for EURALO in its given task of protecting and defending the rights of the European Internet users.

1 0

Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations - update III
by karen banks May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

hello everyone thanks annette for nominating me for the EURALO board - i'm very happy to accept the nomination and look forward to getting more familiar with the ALAC community in europe, and doing my bit to broaden and divsersify european user involvement in ICANN for those of you who don't know me, i've spent most of my time associated with ICANN in the non-commercial constituency structures where i represent my organisation (APC) i'm also the NCUC appointee to the nomcom this year (so let me know if you've got ideas for good candidates for leadership positions, now that we have a couple of weeks grace..) karen

1 0

PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE - 30th April
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

We can do that yes - I'm back from holiday now (though I have come down with a cold!) and I'm copying in Susie. >From reading the list, why don't we aim for: 30th April, 1600 UTC (1700 London, 1800 Brussels/Paris/Geneva). Proposed length of call: 1 Hour. Please reply if this does NOT work for you (with an alternate that would). On 25/04/07, Patrick Vande Walle <patrick(a)vande-walle.eu> wrote: > Hello Nick, > > According to the process detailed on the Wiki, we should have a > teleconference to discuss the nominations. > > Can the ICANN staff suggest a possible date and make the necessary > arrangements ? > > Thanks a lot, > > Patrick > > Annette Muehlberg wrote: > > What do you think about the following schedule: > > > > - Sunday 22nd end of nomination period for ALAC candidates > > > > - Monday 23rd of April opening the discussion on candidates for ALAC and > > the Board trying to find a consensus. > > > > - Friday, 4th of May, end of discussion - hopefully in consensus - on > > the ALAC candidates. > > > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

12 24

Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations update IV
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

I know of no problems with subscriptions - certainly I have received no reports of problems - feel free to sign up Paco and welcome to the party :) On 02/05/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de> wrote: > Thank you, Andres, for your update, my mail did not work yesterday > either ;-) > Concerning the subscription - normally people sign up by themselves on > the EURALO list, but it seems that in the last weeks there have been > some problems, so I forward this to Nick to make sure that Paco will get > on it. > > See below the current status of nominations. > > All the best > > Annette > > So this is the current status of nominations: > > == Nominations for the ALAC > > Patrick Vande Walle (self-nomination) > Sebastien Bachollet (Dessi) (accepted) > Veronica Cretu (Wolfgang) (accepted) > > Dessi Pefeva (Vittorio) (rejected) > > > == Nominations for the EURALO Board > > Rudi Vansnick (self-nomination) > Vittorio Bertola (self-nomination) > Dessi Pefeva (Vittorio) (?) > Christoph Bruch (Vittorio, Wolfgang) (accepted) > Desiree Miloshevic (Wolfgang) (accepted) > Bill Drake (Wolfgang) (accepted) > Jeanette Hofmann (Wolfgang) (accepted) > Andres Oliva (Dessi) (rejected) > Karen Banks (Annette) (?) > Wolf Ludwig (Annette) (?) > Paco de Qinto (Andres) (?) > > Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (Vittorio) (rejected) > > > > > > > ISOC-CAT schrieb: > > Dear all, > > > > I resend the following message (with a new candidature) because I think it > > didn't make it throught last time (the adress which I'm subscribed with > > sometimes fails). > > > > Sorry if you received twice. > > > > > >> -----Mensaje original----- > >> De: Andres Oliva [mailto:aoliva@diplomaticnet.com] > >> Enviado el: viernes, 27 de abril de 2007 18:15 > >> Para: Discussion for At-Large Europe > >> CC: dequinto(a)pique-aa.com; Laurea Folch i Millet > >> Asunto: Nominations - update > >> > >> > >> Dear all, > >> > >> First of all, I would like to thank Dessi Pefeva for nominating > >> me for EURALO's Board. We, in the Catalan Chapter of the Internet > >> Society (ISOC-CAT) are very interested in helping EURALO to > >> consolidate as the main European organization to defend and > >> protect the rights and interests of the European users regarding > >> the domain name system. > >> > >> Considering that in ISOC-CAT there are people that have more > >> experience than me on ICANN's specific issues, I do not accept > >> the nomination and, on behalf of ISOC-CAT, I nominate Paco de > >> Quinto as a candidate to EURALO's Board. Please include him > >> (dequinto(a)pique-aa.com) in EURALO's mailing lists. > >> > >> Below you will find a brief presentation of its candidature. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Andres Oliva > >> > >> _____________________________________________ > >> > >> Paco de Quinto candidature for EURID's Board > >> _____________________________________________ > >> > >> I am a lawyer and a economist, and since 1999 my speciality is > >> legal consultancy on new technologies. > >> > >> My contact with ICANN goes back to 2001. I have been member of > >> ISOC-CAT's Board during 2004-2005, period in which I directly > >> assisted with the legal incorporation of ISOC-ECC in Barcelona. > >> Later on, I kept collaborating with the subsequent ISOC-CAT > >> boards on legal and accounting issues. > >> > >> I am a selected arbitrator of the DotCAT Foundation to solve > >> conflicts in the adjudication of ".cat" domain names. > >> > >> Professionally, I have had the chance to successfully take part > >> in several domain names recovery proceedings within the framework > >> of the ICANN Unified Conflicts Solutions Policy. > >> > >> I am preparing a PhD thesis in new technology law about "digital > >> identity management" in the Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya > >> (UPC), and I am actually participating in several 7th framework > >> European research programs. > >> > >> I think my legal and accounting experience could be very useful > >> to consolidate the "birth" of EURALO, assisting with the drafting > >> of legal agreements, the establishment of voting procedures, and, > >> if this is finally the case, with the legal incorporation of the > >> entity. Moreover, my knowledge on the legal aspects of the domain > >> name system could be very useful for EURALO in its given task of > >> protecting and defending the rights of the European Internet users. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

1 0

Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations - update
by ISOC-CAT May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

Dear all, I resend the following message (with a new candidature) because I think it didn't make it throught last time (the adress which I'm subscribed with sometimes fails). Sorry if you received twice. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Andres Oliva [mailto:aoliva@diplomaticnet.com] > Enviado el: viernes, 27 de abril de 2007 18:15 > Para: Discussion for At-Large Europe > CC: dequinto(a)pique-aa.com; Laurea Folch i Millet > Asunto: Nominations - update > > > Dear all, > > First of all, I would like to thank Dessi Pefeva for nominating > me for EURALO's Board. We, in the Catalan Chapter of the Internet > Society (ISOC-CAT) are very interested in helping EURALO to > consolidate as the main European organization to defend and > protect the rights and interests of the European users regarding > the domain name system. > > Considering that in ISOC-CAT there are people that have more > experience than me on ICANN's specific issues, I do not accept > the nomination and, on behalf of ISOC-CAT, I nominate Paco de > Quinto as a candidate to EURALO's Board. Please include him > (dequinto(a)pique-aa.com) in EURALO's mailing lists. > > Below you will find a brief presentation of its candidature. > > Best regards, > > Andres Oliva > > _____________________________________________ > > Paco de Quinto candidature for EURID's Board > _____________________________________________ > > I am a lawyer and a economist, and since 1999 my speciality is > legal consultancy on new technologies. > > My contact with ICANN goes back to 2001. I have been member of > ISOC-CAT's Board during 2004-2005, period in which I directly > assisted with the legal incorporation of ISOC-ECC in Barcelona. > Later on, I kept collaborating with the subsequent ISOC-CAT > boards on legal and accounting issues. > > I am a selected arbitrator of the DotCAT Foundation to solve > conflicts in the adjudication of ".cat" domain names. > > Professionally, I have had the chance to successfully take part > in several domain names recovery proceedings within the framework > of the ICANN Unified Conflicts Solutions Policy. > > I am preparing a PhD thesis in new technology law about "digital > identity management" in the Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya > (UPC), and I am actually participating in several 7th framework > European research programs. > > I think my legal and accounting experience could be very useful > to consolidate the "birth" of EURALO, assisting with the drafting > of legal agreements, the establishment of voting procedures, and, > if this is finally the case, with the legal incorporation of the > entity. Moreover, my knowledge on the legal aspects of the domain > name system could be very useful for EURALO in its given task of > protecting and defending the rights of the European Internet users. > > > -- Estoy usando la version gratuita de SPAMfighter para usuarios privados. Ha eliminado 6712 correos spam hasta la fecha. Los usuarios de pago no tienen este mensaje en sus correos. Obtenga SPAMfighter gratis aqui: http://www.spamfighter.com/les -- Estoy usando la version gratuita de SPAMfighter para usuarios privados. Ha eliminado 6712 correos spam hasta la fecha. Los usuarios de pago no tienen este mensaje en sus correos. Obtenga SPAMfighter gratis aqui: http://www.spamfighter.com/les

2 1

Upcoming May 4th telcon details
by At Large Staff May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

Dear European region, Please find below the details for your upcoming telcon to be held on Friday, 4th May, at 4pm UTC. Passcode - EURO07REG Regards At-Large Staff *PARTICIPANT INFORMATION* ------------------------------ *PARTICIPANT ACCESS INFORMATION* ------------------------------ Please join MR NICK ASHTON HART on MAY-04-2007 (Friday) at 04:00 PM UNIVERSAL TIME. Access information is below. *AUDIO PARTICIPANT ACCESS* ------------------------------ CALL DATE: MAY-04-2007 (Friday) CALL TIME: 04:00 PM UNIVERSAL TIME DURATION: 1 hr LEADER: MR NICK ASHTON HART *DIAL-IN NUMBERS:* *Country* * * *Toll Numbers* *Freephone/ Toll Free Number* AUSTRALIA 61-2-8211-1386 1-800-880-485 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-89-654 0800-999-636 BELGIUM 32-2-402-2432 0800-4-8360 BRAZIL 0800-8912038 CHINA* 10800-712-1193 10800-120-1193 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156463 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-15 DENMARK 45-7014-0238 8088-6075 FINLAND 358-106-33-164 0-800-1-12056 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-75 080-511-1431 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-75 080-511-1431 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-75-00-04 080-511-1431 GERMANY 49-69-2222-52104 0800-216-1601 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0639 00800-12-5999 HONG KONG 852-2286-5632 800-964-136 HUNGARY 06-800-15227 INDIA 000-800-852-1216 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3500 IRELAND 353-1-246-0036 1800-931-782 ISRAEL 1-80-9303048 ITALY 39-02-3600-0326 800-906-585 JAPAN 81-3-5539-5154 00531-12-1149 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1314 MALAYSIA 1-800-80-8121 MEXICO 001-866-627-0541 NETHERLANDS 31-20-710-9321 0800-023-4655 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4641 0800-443-793 NORWAY 47-21-59-00-14 800-11982 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072119 POLAND 00-800-1210067 PORTUGAL 8008-12179 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-9613011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9197 800-120-4057 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-93390 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1052 00798-14800-6323 SPAIN 34-91-414-15-44 800-099-279 SWEDEN 46-8-566-10-782 0200-887-612 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-7718 0800-000-038 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7346 00801-137-565 THAILAND 001-800-1206-65091 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9015 0800-018-0795 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3215 0800-018-0795 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2115 0800-018-0795 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7019-0812 0800-018-0795 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1415 0800-018-0795 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3439 USA 1-210-795-0472 877-818-6787 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3205 *Access to your conference call will be either of the numbers listed, dependent on the participants' local telecom provider Restrictions may exist when accessing freephone/toll free numbers using a mobile telephone. PASSCODE: EURO07REG For security reasons, the passcode and the leader's name will be required to join your call. ------------------------------ Verizon Business would like to send you e-mail notes to keep you informed of new or enhanced products and services, conferencing tips, or special offers, etc. If you would prefer not to receive these messages, you may unsubscribe now <http://www.mymeetings.com/mymeetings/remove.jsp>. Thank you. Verizon Business and its affiliates respect your privacy and work hard to safeguard the privacy of your personal data. We want you to know that we apply our long-standing commitment to safeguarding privacy to our online and Internet activities. For information on Verizon Business privacy policy, please go to: http://www22.verizon.com/privacy/

1 0

ALAC candidates and rules
by Roberto Gaetano May 2, 2007

May 2, 2007

Folks, This discussion seems more and more a piece of the theater of the absurd. So, if I understand correctly, we have spent months in discussing rules, we thought that we were done, but the ink is not yet dry and we want already take actions that disregard the treaty just signed. "White man speaks with forked tongue", comes immediately to my mind. Anyway, leaving this absurdity aside for a moment, there were some more substantial contributions that I would like to comment. Wolfgang wrote: > In last years NomCom we picked Jon Bing from the Oslo > Internet Institute as a person who never attended ICANN > meetings but with a big potential to bring fesh ideeas to the > GNSO. Ask Bruce Tomkin what he thinks now after one year of > Jons contirbutions. His interventions and actions are > excellent. If only "CANN experience"wuld have been counted he > never woould hzave been selected by NomCm and the ICANn > community would have lost a very potential contributor. Absolutely correct. However, it is the role of the NomCom to bring in new people, broadening the search beyond the traditional ICANN environment. The NomCom has nominated to the Name Council somebody without ICANN experience, but I would be extremely surprised if the constituencies would elect somebody of the same type. Quite the contrary, you will found that the people that the constituencies send to NomCom are very experienced, and also very active on ICANN-related issues. So, while it would have been very appropriate for NomCom to select new people with high potential like Veronica (instead, they nominated Annette), it is not clear to me why the European ALSes should, or would, elect somebody unknown to most. In this respect, I would like to make another comment. I do not have any doubt that Veronica could pick up rapidly and be effective. But if I were a voting member, which luckily I am not, I would be extremely puzzled to vote for somebody that I don't know which positions will take in the ALAC. I would wonder also what kind of guarantee of participation will I get from somebody who has sent to the EURALO mailing lists just one message, namely the acceptance of the candidature. You might admit that this does not show commitment. Another thing that I don't understand is the following. The terms of the ALAC representatives are staggered. This means that one person will be elected for one year, the other one for two years (please correct me if I am wrong). What is wrong in having the two more experienced members in the initial phase, and give Veronica one year of time, maybe as part of the Board (where there's no constraint on ALS membership), to understand the issues and the environment, and to participate? Then next year the decision will be based on real understanding of what the positions of the candidate are, rather than an act of faith on the person, or nationality on the passport. Can somebody explain to me why to elect a candidate who has not yet expressed position on any of the issues that ALAC is debating has become so important that we are ready even to disregard our recently signed bylaws? Is the need to have right now, and not in a year, somebody from Eastern Europe so important that it takes priority over other considerations? I don't understand. And when I don't understand, my paranoia makes me suspicious. Cheers, Roberto

3 2