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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Draft Minutes EURALO Meeting
by Annette Muehlberg March 5, 2009

March 5, 2009

agreed ;-) annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Max Senges" <senges(a)kdun.org> > Gesendet: 05.03.09 06:47:36 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Draft Minutes EURALO Meeting > hi anette - ich bin hier fuer CDUN > > see ya > max > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Annette Muehlberg > <Annette.Muehlberg(a)web.de>wrote: > > > all, > > i tried to capture everything said in our EURALO Meeting, but if i missed > > something please let me know, than i will finalize it tomorrow. > > (also attached as doc) > > > > best > > annette > > > > > > > > > > > > EURALO Meeting Minutes > > Tuesday, 3 March 2009, Mexico Ciudad > > > > > > Attendees: > > Sébastien (ISOC France), Rudi (ISOC Belgium), Dessi (ISOC Bulgaria), Heike > > (Terre des Femmes), Tommi (ISOC Finland), Wolfgang (Medienstadt Leipzig), > > Lutz (FITUG), Wolf (Comunica-CH), Patrick (ISOC Luxembourg), Max (LDUN), > > Annette (network new media), Bogdan (APTI Romania), Vittorio (ISOC Italy), > > Adam (ALAC) > > > > Excused: > > Bill Drake > > > > It has been stated that those people present (including visitors) who do > > not have voting rights can take part in the discussion and make motions too. > > > > Annette has been appointed to write the minutes. > > > > 1. A. Approval of the GA agenda - approved > > 2. B. Approval of the GA minutes approved > > > > We were informed that after the meeting, there will be a video message for > > the closing of the summit in which some participants of the EURALO should > > take part. > > > > > > 3. Board Report of Activities: > > Some Highlights: > > - First European Dialogue on Internet Governance its organization > > many EURALO members took part. > > - First regional Dialogue on Internet Governance in Germany (exchange > > of informations and experiences might be useful for other countries > > activities) > > - ICANN Studienkreis in Helsinki > > - Meißen: Summerschool on Internet Governance - including outreach > > activities for At-Large (with a fellowship programme) > > - Meeting in Athens ENISA, discussing DNS > > - Coopeation with East-African IGF > > > > Future: > > - There will be a second EuroDIG in September 2009 in Geneva > > (opportunity for outreach activities), updates and information how to > > participate will be posted on EURALO list > > - There will be an ICANN Studienkreis in Barcelona 15/16 October > > 2009. One morning is a room free for a possible EURALO meeting) > > > > In a whole there has been considerable improvement of coordination, > > communication, organization of different EURLAO meetings. EURALO became a > > group and overcame the former difficulties of the year before. Special > > thanks to Wolf, who strongly helped the EURALO making work. > > We are pleased that we got political position papers done. But there are > > still problems to organize fast reaction to ICANN/ALAC deadlines in time. > > > > > > In Board report point 2. The question marks will be taken out reference > > is given to the todays oral report. > > > > The Board report has been unanimously accepted. > > > > > > 4. At-Large Users Summit > > European Region was very much involved in setting up the summit and in > > organizing of the program. Special thanks were given to Sébastien and Wolf; > > it has also been stressed that the summit has been a joint activity by all > > the participants. > > > > Working groups and panels were very engaging, and discussions were held at > > a high level. > > > > Special thanks were expressed to staff and especially to Heidi, who worked > > with enthusiasm on supporting the user`s summit. We are sorry that Nick > > cannot be here today, as he has been sick, we wish him all the very best. > > > > Comments: > > - Recognition of the ALSes efforts, to work within a the difficult > > At-Large RALO structure. > > - And it is good that staff also acknowledged it, sharing a lot of > > time with us. > > - By new ALS members, expectation that ALAC has a good standing in > > the ICANN structure, it has been realized that it needs more strengthening. > > - Directly meeting different ALSes, networking was very positive > > - The first session was a little too top down (introduction Saturday > > morning like lecture hall) and staff did not focus on internet users > > issues. In future meetings, staff and board should focus on internet users > > issues this also helps activating internet users to take part in the > > At-Large work. > > - Request for a motion to repeat the summit there should be > > continuation of the summit > > - Panels and working groups were great and engaging > > - The get together of all ALSes/RALOs should have taken place at the > > beginning and not at the end of the summit > > - Strong appreciation that we will have a final declaration > > - Being able to participate face to face with other ALS members was > > very useful also for future (online) work. It will allow a better outcome > > for all ALSes > > - The preparation work by ALSes and staff was very important > > - A real hassle though, was that the staff rescheduled workshops at > > short notice, some even without noticing the moderator/speakers of a panel > > - It was extremely hard to offer workshops and coordinate with staff > > on this matter > > - Also criticism that ALSes could have done more in preparing the > > summit > > - Criticism that background papers have not been translated > > - For whole editing of final document a working computer with a > > printer should be available and should be supported by staff > > - Huge step in the right direction after we went so far backwards > > after the year 2000. Continuation of this should be organized, as a general > > summit every 3 years or so, but in between there could be regional user > > meetings connected to an ICANN meeting. > > - Summit helped restoring the belief that the whole At-Large > > structure could make sense > > - In preparing the summit (we would not have needed a second survey, > > but rather focus on setting up workshops in time and do not put so much > > pressure on speakers who got the confirmation of their workshop just a few > > days before the summit. > > > > > > Statement: We need to explore how to make another ALAC summit like the one > > in Mexico possible. These face-to-face meetings are extremely useful and > > essential in building the relationships and trust to start meaningfull > > (online) work. > > EURALO supports a continuation of internet users interest focused summits. > > We need more information in more digestable formats for ALSes. > > But it also needs a well organized information flow from the ALSes to the > > internet users also explaining how they can get involved in a transparent > > and accountable way. > > > > Break > > > > Welcome of Markus Kummer, excecutive secretary of the IGF, at the EURALO > > Meeting! > > IGF a multistakeholder platform on equal footing. The model of a > > multistakeholder dialogue is very successfull. EuroDIG is one important > > initiative for the IGF. Markus gives an overview on IGF issues. General > > discussion. > > Deadline 15th of April for IGF workshop proposals! > > > > 5. Briefing on ICANNs Contractual Compliance Program by David A. Giza > > (see power point presentation) > > > > Criticism, that speech has not been addressed to the audience, budget > > increase of 30% is outrageous. Talking about euralo taking part in a meeting > > on contractual compliance program, you must make sure, that they will get > > the money for travel and stay and will be able to have a EURALO meeting. > > Talking about the use of the word ICANN , ICANN is not staff, but the > > community. We have to clarify who is serving whom and staff grows and grows > > and grows > > We are very thankfull that you offer more transparency. One important issue > > for us is the staff activities in the last mile of decision making > > processes. > > > > How do you study the compliance issue in relation to national legislation? > > What about, instead of hiring an American law firm to hire a German or > > British or law firm? > > David welcomes EURALO to get in touch with him on different issues of > > interest. > > Accuracy has never been such an important issue There is an implicit deal > > between ICANN and the European Internet community that ICANN will not be > > serious on Whois accuracy compliance with European registrants because the > > current Whois policies do not comply with European privacy laws. Be careful > > that if you start to apply compliance on Whois seriously, there will be a > > major political uproar in Europe. > > > > 6. Postponed > > > > 7. EURALO Work Programme > > Strong critizism of ICANNs non transparent budget allocation policies and > > balancing procedures. > > > > Drafts are approved with two additions (in point 2 and an extra point 4, > > which has been written down by Wolf) > > > > +++ > > ALAC chair came in and was welcomed: Public comment period on At-Large > > Summit > > ALAC gives advice to the Board inputs by ALSes are needed > > > > They handed in the proposed Framework for FY10 Operating Plan and Budget > > Fiscal Year Ending 30 June 2010 > > It could be put under item 9. Global Engagement and Increased International > > Participation > > > > Huge problem with the travel support for 2 ALAC members, whose support may > > disappear. > > > > Travel costs for all AlAC members have to be guaranteed. > > In the Operational Plan ALAC is not integrated at all which is showing > > that the whole Board attendance at the user summit is just a lip service! > > Wolfgang, Lutz and Vittorio will finalize a statement which can be > > integrated in the final statement by the users summit. > > > > > > Elections: > > 9 seats, one has been vacant since Paris. > > > > Wolf got unanimously supported as chair. > > Vittorio, Lutz, Olivier and Dessi were unanimously nominated for the Board. > > > > We have two candidates for secretary: Dessi, if she agrees to (in the next > > two days), if not we all agree that we will have Rudi as secretary. > > > > A EURALO secretariat should be established with a small budget. > > > > > > 9. Postponed > > > > 10. Postponed (not necessary now) > > > > 11. No further comments > > > > 12. The meeting adjourned. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > --

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Draft statement on the operational plan and budget
by Annette Muehlberg March 4, 2009

March 4, 2009

i think it should be read on behalf of euralo first and we should get the other ralos and alac supportit and of course it should go in the final summit documents. best greetings annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Adam Peake" <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> > Gesendet: 04.03.09 18:35:34 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Draft statement on the operational plan and budget > I support the statement and would be happy if it were read on behalf > of EU RALO, or in my name if it would be appropriate for some form of > individual sign-up. > > Adam > > > > >Wolf Ludwig ha scritto: > >> Thank you very much, Vittorio, for this excellent draft statement what I > >> fully support in its "hard on ICANN" manner. The text is well substantiated > >> and the operational plan and budget document is contradicting all the > >> official talk about "multistakeholder involvement" and "Bottom-up policy > >> development". > > > >What do we do next? I understood that we need to release this urgently, > >before the end of the ICANN meeting. > >As it seems that we all agree on it, could we suggest the other RALOs > >and the ALAC to support it? Or could it go in the final Summit documents? > >Also, another opportunity would be for you (as Chair) to read it during > >the public forum tomorrow. > >Ciao, > >-- > >vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- > >--------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >EURO-Discuss mailing list > >EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > >Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > --

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Draft statement on the operational plan and budget
by Vittorio Bertola March 4, 2009

March 4, 2009

Hello, I couldn't meet with anyone else but, as requested earlier today, here is a draft statement on the operational plan and budget document. Beware that, as envisaged, it is quite hard on ICANN... ==== The European Regional At-Large Organization is astonished by the reading of the "Proposed Framework for FY10 Operating Plan and Budget". We note with perplexity that neither the At-Large constituency nor the ALAC is ever mentioned once in the entire body of the document; even in the nine pages of Appendix A, which lists ICANN's operating plan items up to the details of "Coordinate and manage Board website hosting" and "Facilitate payment of Director expenses", the ALAC and the At-Large appear only four times, of which three are actions aimed at "improving their performance" (whatever that means) among that of other bodies. For example, of the 16 action items that constitute section 7 "Constituency support", ten regard support for registries and registrars; two regard the GNSO; one regards the GAC; the remaining three are generic points that include all SOs and ACs. Apparently, no specific effort is planned by ICANN to support the At Large or user constituencies. Moreover, section 9 "Global engagement and increased international participation" describes a huge work programme that only focuses on involving more registries, more registrars and more governments throughout the world; several detailed action items are designed to involve new governments in the GAC. It is unbelievable that no mention is made of the need to increase the participation of the public, either through the At Large or through public participation channels in general. From this plan, it looks like ICANN's operating plan is to promote a business fair or trade cartel for registries and registrars, while pleading with governments not to disrupt the plan, and while ignoring anyone else. We think that global engagement and international participation are a vital part of ICANN's credibility and legitimacy, but definitely not in the sense that ICANN implies with this document. Thus we urge the ICANN Board to check out the corporation's priorities and ensure that appropriate attention, means and budget are allocated to promoting and supporting participation by the global public. ==== Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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