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Re: [EURO-Discuss] not so fast (Re: SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL)
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

See below On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> wrote: > > Hi Nick, > > how about an answer to the questions in this message? > > | From: Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > | To: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org, > | Discussion for At-Large Europe < > euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > | Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200 > | Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs > > On another matter, I notice the following in your proposed > electronic signing statement: > > | I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by > | the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the > | Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally > | signing the document. > > How does this language (which clearly suggests some kind of binding > effect) mix with this statement of yours to the na-discuss list, > made last Friday? I do not see any conflict. Both sides agree to do several things, and they agree to some benefits. It is an agreement. The fact that it is not intended as a contract for enforcement in courts does not change that both sides are making an agreement with one another. Hopefully that's helpful. | From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> > | Subj: Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended > beneficiary > | of RALO MOUs > | Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am > | Size: 2K > | To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy(a)seltzer.com> > | cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda(a)afcn.org>, > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > | > | To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN > | and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law. > | It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract. > > Thanks for your clarification, > -- > Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > > > > > > On 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> > > To: bruch(a)humanistische-union.de, kiravuo(a)tml.hut.fi, > > Wolfgang Kleinwächter > > <Wolfgang.kleinwaechter(a)medienkomm.uni-halle.de>, > > wolfgang(a)imv.au.dk, aoliva(a)isoc-cat.org, aoliva(a)diplomaticnet.com, > > dpefeva(a)isoc.bg, patrick(a)vande-walle.eu, Patrick(a)isoc.lu, > > rudi.vansnick(a)isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr > > Cc: Europe Discuss <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100 > > Subject: [EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL > > Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large Europe > > <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe > > <euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > X-Spam-Level: > > X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5 > > > > Dear All: > > > > I have heard from the following people with the details required to > finish > > the signature page. > > > > IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY > > WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY! > > > > Internet Society - Bulgaria > > Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva > > Position: Coordinator for ALAC > > > > Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V. > > > > Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter > > > > Position of Signer: Member of the Board > > > > > Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium > > > > > Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick > > > > > Position of Signer : Chair > > > > Name of Organisation Internet Society Luxembourg > > > > Name of Signer Patrick Vande Walle > > > > Position of Signer Chairman > > > > Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet Society – Isoc > > France > > > > Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet > > > > Position of Signer Président > > > > > > DIGITAL SIGNERS > > > > (SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT) > > > > Christophe BRUCH > > "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU) > > > > Board Member > > > > > Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media > > (nnm) > > > > > Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg > > > > > Position of Signer: Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> wrote: > > On 2007-03-28 14:43:21 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > > My thought, without prejudice to what the legal people might say, > > is that ICANN doesn't really have a preference and the bylaws do > > not provide for ICANN to have such a preference. > > I disagree with the latter; that's part of the questions that you've > chosen to ignore for a while now. > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.o… I would characterise 'ignoring' as inaccurate, since I have previously stated on two occasions the reason for the delay, which in any case is a matter of hours. It is really unfortunate that you were not here; many of the questions and concerns that you have could have been a part of the discussions and dealt with alongside your colleagues. I hope that you will decide to have enough faith and trust in the other ALSes here to accept that they would not have concluded these arrangements unless they were satisfied that the outcome resulting was worthwhile. > My suggestion to everyone is that we agree the process you wish > > to follow in respect of this element once we have all returned > > home and had some time to get through the elections process and > > address the question of incorporation - it would seem to me that > > the question you raise here, and the question of incorporation, > > are questions which naturally go together. > > > Does that seem sensible to you? > > The more I see of this process, the more I think that all that > should be signed tomorrow is a set of very short letters of intent > in which ICANN and the ALSes state that they: > > (a) intend that a European RALO be formed according to the > principles laid out in the draft materials coordinated > > (b) intend that a formal MoU be signed once EURALO is formed and the > question around individual user participation resolved > > You can still declare victory and hold a ceremony around that. > > Cheers, > -- > Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

Thomas, my apologies again for the delay due to the mad pace of events - as a longtime participant of ICANN meetings I'm sure you know what it is like! On 26/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> wrote: > > Watching from the distance, I'll admit that I'm a bit confused by > what's going on in Lisbon. > > Some questions... > > - How does the timing of the signing ceremony mix with the public > comment opportunity that ICANN is supposed to give; see > <http://alac.icann.org/framework.htm#ProposedguidelinesforaRALO>, > point 2? There will be a 21-day posting for this MoU. The board will ratify it at this meeting pending the completion of the 21-day comment period, and at the end of that the board will give it final approval. You will find a paragraph near the end of the MoU text which reflects this. - Where are the criteria for the certification of ALSes, per > <http://icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#XI-2.4i>? > > "The criteria and standards for the certification of At-Large > Structures within each Geographic Region shall be established by > the Board based on recommendations from the ALAC and shall be > stated in the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the > RALO for that Geographic Region." These are not incorporated directly in any of the MoUs as they can be changed. The requirements are indirectly referenced by the MoUs though where an acknowledgment of the role that ICANN plays in Clause 5.7 - What is the expectation about incorporating The Organization, what > is the expectation about The Organization's internal processes? > What is the process for agreement on its bylaws? What say will > ICANN have in that? This is of course three questions: 1) The discussion about incorporation is to be held after the voting has been concluded in order to prevent the two issues together actually getting bogged down since they are unrelated, and both take some time - and everyone at the meetings was aware of the fact that everyone is a volunteer and we need to help ensure participation in both to the fullest extent possible. 2) The bylaws agreed here do address these to a very considerable extent and in quite a lot of detail. You also have an additional source of procedure in the draft Rules of Procedure that have been prepared and are available on the regional Wiki which each region is free to use, amend, adopt, or ignore as it wishes. These are for the region to determine. Without actually having The Organization in existence, signing the > MoU looks like a recipe for a considerable mess later on, and it > might take degrees of freedom away that might be useful to have > when negotiating The Organization. I cannot see how that would have an effect to be honest with you. The Bylaws as agreed here are relevant to an unincorporated entity, just as they are to an entity that is incorporated. The members will live by the same set of rules irrespective of the legal status of the organisation (this is the short version of the discussion here). - What is the plan to deal with newly accredited ALSes in the > future; I understand that the LA RALO is actually struggling with > that? <https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi> Not really struggling. They wish to proceduralise the process of new ALSes consenting to be bound by the terms of the MoU as if they were original signers. I will be helping to supply a form of words for them to do this. - Why are the individual ALSes supposed to sign the MoU, not The > Organization when it's constituted and ready to enter into an > agreement with ICANN? > > This seems inconsistent with the ICANN bylaws: Believe me when I tell you that the ICANN legal staff would hardly allow anything to happen which is inconsistent with the Bylaws. Secondarily, as previously stated, there is no prohibition against the assignment of the signing organisations' rights and responsibilities to the EURALO if incorporated at a later time. "g. There shall be one RALO for each Geographic Region established > according to Section 5 of Article VI. Each RALO shall serve as the > main forum and coordination point for public input to ICANN in its > Geographic Region and shall be a non-profit organization certified > by ICANN according to criteria and standards established by the > Board based on recommendations of the At-Large Advisory Committee. > An organization shall become the recognized RALO for its > Geographic Region upon entering a Memorandum of Understanding with > ICANN addressing the respective roles and responsibilities of > ICANN and the RALO regarding the process for selecting ALAC > members and requirements of openness, participatory opportunities, > transparency, accountability, and diversity in the RALO's > structure and procedures, as well as criteria and standards for > the RALO's constituent At-Large Structures." > > <http://icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#XI-2.4g> > > Besides the formal level, this creates a situation in which ICANN > can play divide and conquer on any proposed changes that might > ever come up. Good for ICANN staff, bad for the RALO. I cannot personally see how this is true. If those who were present here felt this were the case then they would clearly not have concluded their work on this document. I don't think I'll be able to make a recommendation to FITUG to sign > without some very good answers to these questions. Hopefully these will provide it. Note that if FITUG is unable to agree to be a signing organisation, the RALO still includes all ALSes automatically; the only question is if and to what extent non-adherence will affect voting or other rights, which will be entirely a matter for the RALO to decide. Cheers, and apologies that I couldn't make it to Lisbon, > -- > Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > > > > > > > > > On 2007-03-26 14:19:54 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> > > To: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >, > > Africa Discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:19:54 +0100 > > Subject: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs > > Reply-To: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org, > > Discussion for At-Large Europe < > euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe > > <euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > X-Spam-Level: > > X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5 > > > > Dear African and European Colleagues: > > > > In order for me to prepare the signature texts for the signing ceremony > on > > the Thursday, could those of you intending to sign send me the following > > information as you wish it to appear on the signature texts: > > > > Name of Organisation > > Name of Signer > > Position of Signer > > > > IF YOU ARE LEAVING BEFORE THURSDAY: > > > > If you are leaving before the signing ceremony and wish to sign the > final > > text, I will prepare a signature page early so you can sign in advance. > I > > will then read out your name during the ceremony so that you are > included > > even though you are not physically present :) > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: > > nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] European Speaker for Ceremony
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

There is literally a total of five minutes to do this and the staging is already quite tight - we simply cannot run over. Having three different people come forward, talk, and then call the next forward will take lots of time which could be spent by one person saying more... On 28/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter < wolfgang.kleinwaechter(a)medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote: > > Probably we shouid have three very short statements presentintg the > diversity of EURALO. I could do one. > > wolfgang > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org] > Gesendet: Mi 28.03.2007 14:29 > An: bruch(a)humanistische-union.de; kiravuo(a)tml.hut.fi; Wolfgang > Kleinwächter; wolfgang(a)imv.au.dk; aoliva(a)isoc-cat.org; > aoliva(a)diplomaticnet.com; dpefeva(a)isoc.bg; patrick(a)vande-walle.eu; > Patrick(a)isoc.lu; rudi.vansnick(a)isoc.be; sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr; > Vittorio Bertola > Cc: Europe Discuss > Betreff: European Speaker for Ceremony > > > Dear All: > > There is a 5-minute slot for one representative of each region signing > tomorrow to speak on behalf of the region > Could you all have a word and decide who is to fill this role? > > > -- > Regards, > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > Director, At-Large > ICANN > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > < FONT>United Kingdom > Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org > Win IM: SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;; color: > rgb(0, 0, 237); font-family: Arial; ">ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: > nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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European Speaker for Ceremony
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

Dear All: There is a 5-minute slot for one representative of each region signing tomorrow to speak on behalf of the region Could you all have a word and decide who is to fill this role? -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

I will take this up with the staff here but I probably will not get back to you, given the pace of events, for a few days. My thought, without prejudice to what the legal people might say, is that ICANN doesn't really have a preference and the bylaws do not provide for ICANN to have such a preference. ICANN prefers that each region organises itself as it thinks best. The side letter you are suggesting would require the agreement of all the other signers, which I would think could be arranged, but would of necessity take some time. The other procedures that I outlined would have the same effect as what you are suggesting, which doesn't mean that any one of them is better or worse than your own, simply that I think they are different doors leading into the same room. My suggestion to everyone is that we agree the process you wish to follow in respect of this element once we have all returned home and had some time to get through the elections process and address the question of incorporation - it would seem to me that the question you raise here, and the question of incorporation, are questions which naturally go together. Does that seem sensible to you? On 28/03/07, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)humanistische-union.de> wrote: > Hi Nick, > I would appreciate a written statement by ICANN clarifying, that indeed > EURALO is the preferred partner for the MoU and that the signature of ICANN > will be combined with a written note that the period of validity of the MoU > reached between ICANN and individual ALSes will only last until EURALO has > elected a board and signed a MoU with ICANN. > All this of course means that EURALO is not just a but - in line with ICANN > bylaws - eventually the only party in Europe having this kind of agreement > with ICANN. > Christoph > > ____________________________________________ > Dr. Christoph Bruch HUMANISTISCHE UNION > Neue Christstr. 6 Greifswalder Str. 4 > 14059 Berlin 10405 Berlin > 030 - 32 10 32 82 030 - 20 45 02 56 > Fax: 030 - 20 45 02 57 > info(a)humanistische-union.de > www.humanistische-union.de > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Nick > Ashton-Hart > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2007 17:03 > An: bruch > Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs > > I am working with the legal people on a form of words which can be > transmitted by email, allowing those who do so to be a signer even if > they are not physically present, and we can acknowledge these ALSes as > a part of the ceremony. > > With respect to the EURALO being a party: My suggestion for a > procedure to do this most readily would be tha the signing > organisations should collectively assign all of their rights and > obligations in perpetuity to EURALO and the whole membership thereof. > > The other way to do this is for a side letter to be signed between > ICANN and EURALO acknowledging that EURALO is a signing organisations > as well as the individual ALSes who originally signed. > > The effect of either is the same in the end. > > On 26/03/07, bruch <bruch(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > > Hi Nick, > > I would like to sign the MoU on behalf of the "German Civil Liberties > Union > > / Humanistische Union" (GCLU) but have to leave to Berlin tomorrow. > > Although I am a member of the board of the GCLU I do need a decision by > the > > whole board which I will most probably not get until Thursday. But I would > > like the GCLU to be listed as an original signing organization once a > > positive decision is made by our board. In our meeting you said there is a > > solution for this. > > > > Dear All > > We agreed to also have agreed to have EURALO as party to the MoU even > though > > we do neither have a board yet nor have we decided on the incorporation > > question. From my point of view it is of great importance to announce this > > integration of EURALO during the signing ceremony. > > > > Christoph > > > > _____________________ > > Dr. Christoph Bruch > > Neue Christstr. 6 > > 14059 Berlin > > +49 (0)30 - 3210 3282 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Nick > > Ashton-Hart > > Gesendet: Montag, 26. März 2007 15:20 > > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Africa Discuss > > Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs > > > > Dear African and European Colleagues: > > > > In order for me to prepare the signature texts for the signing ceremony on > > the Thursday, could those of you intending to sign send me the following > > information as you wish it to appear on the signature texts: > > > > Name of Organisation > > Name of Signer > > Position of Signer > > > > IF YOU ARE LEAVING BEFORE THURSDAY: > > > > If you are leaving before the signing ceremony and wish to sign the final > > text, I will prepare a signature page early so you can sign in advance. I > > will then read out your name during the ceremony so that you are included > > even though you are not physically present :) > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: > > nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart> > > > > > > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i > cann.org > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] European Speaker for Ceremony
by Annette Muehlberg March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

fine. someone from eastern europe ready to speak too? annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Gesendet: 28.03.07 15:45:06 > An: Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> > CC: Europe Discuss <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] European Speaker for Ceremony > Probably we shouid have three very short statements presentintg the diversity of EURALO. I could do one. > > wolfgang > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org] > Gesendet: Mi 28.03.2007 14:29 > An: bruch(a)humanistische-union.de; kiravuo(a)tml.hut.fi; Wolfgang Kleinwächter; wolfgang(a)imv.au.dk; aoliva(a)isoc-cat.org; aoliva(a)diplomaticnet.com; dpefeva(a)isoc.bg; patrick(a)vande-walle.eu; Patrick(a)isoc.lu; rudi.vansnick(a)isoc.be; sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr; Vittorio Bertola > Cc: Europe Discuss > Betreff: European Speaker for Ceremony > > > Dear All: > > There is a 5-minute slot for one representative of each region signing tomorrow to speak on behalf of the region > Could you all have a word and decide who is to fill this role? > > > -- > Regards, > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > Director, At-Large > ICANN > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > < FONT>United Kingdom > Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org > Win IM: SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;; color: rgb(0, 0, 237); font-family: Arial; ">ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > --

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] {Disarmed} Re: Election of ALAC Chair and Vice-Chair
by Annette Muehlberg March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

Right on. Congratulations and all the best wishes to Jaqueline and José! Annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Izumi AIZU" <iza(a)anr.org> > Gesendet: 28.03.07 00:25:21 > An: "Carlton A Samuels" <carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm> > CC: LAC Discuss <lac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Europe Discuss <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org>, Africa Discuss <afri-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Asia-Pacific Discuss <apac-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: [At-Large] {Disarmed} Re: Election of ALAC Chair and Vice-Chair I like to echo with what has already been said here to congratulate the two new leaders of ALAC. The regional dominance was brought to our attnetion at the election, but no one really had any problem with two excellent volunteers from LAC region. Well, you guys were the first to bring RALO into existance hence you deserve to take the leadership. > > Thank for the extra work!! > > izumi > > > 2007/3/28, Carlton A Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm>: > > > > > Heartiest congratulations > to both Jacqueline and Jose. Even though both are stalwarts of the LAC > region, we are certain they are fit for purpose for the entire At-Large world. > > > > > > Carlton > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From: Nick Ashton-Hart > [mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:41 > AM > To: Asia-Pacific Discuss; Europe > Discuss; Carlton A. Samuels; Africa Discuss; LAC Discuss; NA Discuss; At-Large > Worldwide > Subject: Election of ALAC Chair > and Vice-Chair > > > > > > > Good morning At-Large world! > > > > > > > > I'm about to go into another meeting but I wanted to inform you that at > the ALAC meeting last night, Jacqueline Morris was elected Chair of the ALAC, > and Jose Ovidio Salgueiro Vice-Chair, both terms lasting until the ICANN AGM in > October 2007. > > > > > > > > The ICANN Staff extend our congratulations to both of them on their > election. > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick > Ashton-Hart > Director, At-Large > > > > ICANN > > > > PO Box > 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > Main Tel: > +44 (20) 8800-1011 > ] > > > > USA > Tel: > +1 (202) 657-5460 > > > > Fax: +44 > (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: > +44 (7774) 932798 > > email: > nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org > Win IM: > ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com > / AIM/iSight: > nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: > nashtonhart > > > > Online > Bio: > https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > www.alac.icann.org > www.icannalac.org > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society > Kumon Center, Tama University > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > www.alac.icann.org > www.icannalac.org > --

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SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

Dear All: I have heard from the following people with the details required to finish the signature page. IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY! Internet Society - Bulgaria Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva Position: Coordinator for ALAC Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V. Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter Position of Signer: Member of the Board > Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium > Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick > Position of Signer : Chair Name of Organisation Internet Society Luxembourg Name of Signer Patrick Vande Walle Position of Signer Chairman Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l’Internet Society – Isoc France Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet Position of Signer Président DIGITAL SIGNERS (SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT) Christophe BRUCH "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU) Board Member > Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media (nnm) > Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg > Position of Signer: Chair

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] not so fast (Re: SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL)
by Nick Ashton-Hart March 28, 2007

March 28, 2007

Definitely - I'm not ignoring you Thomas, I'm just under the gun to finish the staging order for the ceremony tomorrow rather urgently as it is quite complex and involves many people as you can imagine... On 28/03/07, Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> wrote: > Hi Nick, > > how about an answer to the questions in this message? > > | From: Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > | To: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org, > | Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > | Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:05:55 +0200 > | Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Signing the MoUs > > On another matter, I notice the following in your proposed > electronic signing statement: > > | I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by > | the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the > | Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally > | signing the document. > > How does this language (which clearly suggests some kind of binding > effect) mix with this statement of yours to the na-discuss list, > made last Friday? > > | From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> > | Subj: Re: [NA-Discuss] Suggestion: Name the public as intended beneficiary > | of RALO MOUs > | Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:33 am > | Size: 2K > | To: "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy(a)seltzer.com> > | cc: "Michael Maranda" <mmaranda(a)afcn.org>, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > | > | To clarify, as I have been given to understand the MoUs between ICANN > | and the regions is not a contract as that term is understood in law. > | It is an agreement, but not of legal standing such as a contract. > > Thanks for your clarification, > -- > Thomas Roessler <roessler(a)does-not-exist.org> > > > > > > On 2007-03-28 13:13:25 +0100, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> > > To: bruch(a)humanistische-union.de, kiravuo(a)tml.hut.fi, > > Wolfgang Kleinwächter > > <Wolfgang.kleinwaechter(a)medienkomm.uni-halle.de>, > > wolfgang(a)imv.au.dk, aoliva(a)isoc-cat.org, aoliva(a)diplomaticnet.com, > > dpefeva(a)isoc.bg, patrick(a)vande-walle.eu, Patrick(a)isoc.lu, > > rudi.vansnick(a)isoc.be, sebastien.bachollet(a)isoc.fr > > Cc: Europe Discuss <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:13:25 +0100 > > Subject: [EURO-Discuss] SIGNERS FOR TOMORROW - URGENT EMAIL > > Reply-To: Discussion for At-Large Europe > > <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > List-Id: Discussion for At-Large Europe > > <euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org.atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > X-Spam-Level: > > X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.5 > > > > Dear All: > > > > I have heard from the following people with the details required to finish > > the signature page. > > > > IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST BELOW PLEASE REPLY ASAP (BEFORE END OF DAY > > WEDNESDAY) OR YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE MOU ON THURSDAY! > > > > Internet Society - Bulgaria > > Signing person: Dragoslava Pefeva > > Position: Coordinator for ALAC > > > > Name of Organisation: Medienstadt Leipzig e.V. > > > > Name of Signer: Wolfgang Kleinwächter > > > > Position of Signer: Member of the Board > > > > > Name of Organisation : Internet Society Belgium > > > > > Name of Signer : Rudi Vansnick > > > > > Position of Signer : Chair > > > > Name of Organisation Internet Society Luxembourg > > > > Name of Signer Patrick Vande Walle > > > > Position of Signer Chairman > > > > Name of Organisation Chapitre français de l'Internet Society – Isoc > > France > > > > Name of Signer Sébastien Bachollet > > > > Position of Signer Président > > > > > > DIGITAL SIGNERS > > > > (SEE SEPARATE EMAIL ON THIS SUBJECT) > > > > Christophe BRUCH > > "German Civil Liberties Union / Humanistische Union" (GCLU) > > > > Board Member > > > > > Name of Organisation: netzwerk neue medien (nnm) - network new media > > (nnm) > > > > > Name of Signer: Annette Muehlberg > > > > > Position of Signer: Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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