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[Fwd: hi]
by Patrick Vande Walle May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

FYI, this is from a Bulgarian citizen, not a member of this list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: hi Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:12:28 -0400 From: Veni Markovski <veni(a)veni.com> To: patrick(a)vande-walle.eu, Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> References: <1178199578-395e08826e8dd8588aab4b474f6dcdd3(a)comunica-ch.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A808D3AC(a)server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4639FEB7.2010502(a)vande-walle.eu> Hi. I agree with Patrick. veni At 17:24 5/3/2007 +0200, you wrote: >KleinwДchter wrote: >> >>But this is not the point. The point is that we >>as a European At Large Organisation should be >>clear in sending political signals both to our >>own European constituencies and the rest of the world. >The clearest signal we can send to the community >is that we stick to the rules we agreed in >writing. Let us be an exemplary RALO. >As Roberto points out, we do not want yet >another Ombudsman report on the Euralo/ALAC >twisting its own rules. Losing our credibility >right from the beginning is not the way to go. > > >-- >Patrick Vande Walle >Check my blog at<http://patrick.vande-walle.eu>http://patrick.vande-walle.eu >_______________________________________________ >EURO-Discuss mailing list >EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… -- Patrick Vande Walle Check my blog at http://patrick.vande-walle.eu Jabber me at patrick(a)vande-walle.eu

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC
by Annette Muehlberg May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Dear all, there is a lot of tension coming in the debate the last days which is not leading anywhere. I really would like to support the positive approach of Wolfgang. We agreed to work in consensus and that at least means that in choosing our candidates we should find proportional representation in line with the opinions expressed on our list. Consensus oriented work certainly does not mean to use a tel conf with only a small group of people involved for decision making but it can be good for developing smart proposals for further procedure which will be presented to all of us online. Concerning the sudden questioning of deadlines for nominations - I really do not understand what this is all about. The two mails Wolf quoted were the last two mails on deadlines of nominations not objected by anyone on the list. So one good step forward we made together in consensus ;-) So to be absolutely clear and avoid further confusion, I propose that we now clarify the definition of "a few days" after the 29th for board nominations and set a strict end to the 4th of may. That is the same day we agreed to try to reach consensus for our ALAC candidates, so we can move over to a consensus oriented debate on the board on the basis of the final number of nominations (as not everyone seems to know: we all agreed to have a "minimum" of five seats). all the best annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Gesendet: 03.05.07 16:33:43 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC > > Dear EURALOs, > > > > sorry for being silent for a couple of days. I was travelling (Access to Knowledge Conference at Yale University and Computer Freedom and Privacy Conference in Montreal) and had only frequently access to the net. > > > > Reading the discussion on the ALAC election I am both perplexed and confused. The debate is formal and buerocratic and driven by individual interests. My understanding is that the issue is a political one and should be driven by common interests. > > > > Let me go back to some basic points, reflected in the mission and the value system both of ICANN and ISOC. ISOCs slogan within the WSIS process and elsewhere is "An Internet for All". And it is ICANNs mission to represent the Internet community as a whole. Should it not be the first task of ISOC members working within ICANN to bring people from underpivileged regions, from the edges of the net community, who need help and support, into the broader ICANN community? Should it not be our task to build bridges and to include more constituencies from regions which has not yet been included for a number (mainly economic) reasons into our process? I remember numerous statements from ISOC people in the WSIS process calling for more representation of underprivileged people and groups in the process. Is this serious or hippocarcy? > > > > When I proposed Veronica to represent the European internet users in the ALAC my argument was that it would be improper if the European Internet users would be represented only by three representatives coming from three founding member states of the EU (the small Europe of the Six, now we have an EU of 27 with more than 20 European countries outside the EU). To have a domination of the German and French speaking commuity in the representation of European internet users in ALAC would be a wrong message and violate the principle of geographical diversity which we have agreed in our draft of the MoU. > > > > If we make such a choice what would be the message to the million of Internet users in the Ukraine, in Belarus, in Russia and in the other Non-EU member states (including the Slavic speaking community within the EU)? Could you imagine that they think "they are not interested in us, this is a closed club of friends of friends networks?" > > > > I have grown up behind the iron curtain and I understand probably better than other old EU members how painful it is to live in difficult local circumstances with no financial means and a lot of burocratical problems when leaving the country an going to a meeting. Even if you have the individual potential, the intellectual capacity and if you are dedicated to contribute to the debate, without a helping hand nothing will happen and the potential remains unused and does not become part of the process. > > > > I have no doubt that both Sebastian and Patrick are well qualified for ALAC as well as tghey are qualified for a lot of other positions within and outside ICANN. Patrick has made a great contribution to the community by organizing the wonderful Luxembourg ICANN meeting. Sebastian is, like me, one of the veterans of ICANN, who has participated in nearly all ICANN meetings and has naturally all the knowledge of an insider. > > > > But this is not the point. The point is that we as a European At Large Organisation should be clear in sending political signals both to our own European constituencies and the rest of the world. We take the challenge to bring more people to the Internet community seriously and we are looking for people who can represent also the underprivileged Internet users in our bodies. > > > > If the main driving force for the application from Patrick and Sebastian is to serve the community I think there are numerous opportunities to do this. There is no need to have a formal position to make the voice heard and to contribute to the ICANN process. Insofar I would encourage Sebastian and Patrick to call each other and to find a way out of the situation which would enable us to move forward by consensus. My proposal would be that either Sebastian or Patrick would accept the one year term this year and next year he would be substituted by the other one.for a two year term. This would guarantee a three year representation of the French speaking Internet community in the ALAC and both would have their ALAC membership in their CV. > > > > Hope this will help to move forward, to go back to a positive climate in our discussion and to leave the trouble behind us so that we can concentrate now on substance. > > > > I used the time so far to prepare a workshop on "Consumer Interests and new gTLDs" for San Juan (details later). And I am also working on an Outreach workshop during the forthcoming ICANN Studienkreis meeting in Warsaw, October 2007. More contribution for other members our community are welcome. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Wolfgang > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > --

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Wolf: As previously stated, the time and date chosen was the time acceptable to most people. it is obvious but worth restaing that we are unlikely to find a perfect time where literally everyone can participate, when you are talking about a group this large. We also do need to move this along, so that the new ALAC members can be in place and travel arrangements made for them in good time for San Juan. On 03/05/07, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig(a)comunica-ch.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > sorry, but I cannot make it for the suggested Tel-Conf. neither -- > and I do not understand the sense of such a Tel-Conf. when/where most of > the people concerned, or a vast majority, cannot participate and contribute? > > Referring to some remarks about deadlines, according to my understanding > it was Annette's proposal in her Mail from 20.04.07 we agreed on which was > backed by Vittorio's Mail from 25.04.07 (copies below)! > > Regards, > Wolf > > _______________ > [EURO-Discuss] Nominations - update > Von: Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de> > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Datum: 20/04/2007 18:45:37 > > I think, to choose ALAC members first is a good procedure. > > Concerning the nomination period, I think we should try to do our best > to come up with proposals until this sunday 22nd and start the > discussion. If someone comes up with another proposal in the following > week on ALAC and even some days later with another proposal for a board > member, this is fine too. > > What do you think about the following schedule: ... > > > [EURO-Discuss] Nominations - update II > Von: Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Datum: 25/04/2007 13:57:48 > > All, > ... > > For the rest, I would follow Annette's suggestion and start the > discussion on the two slates of candidates and on the number of Board > members. In the revised schedule, voting was expected to start on April > 29th but let's see how the discussion goes - if the discussion is still > alive and productive, I'm also fine with waiting until May 5th for the vote. > ... > Regards, > > _____________ > Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Thu, 3 May 2007 11:53: > >>From the email replies sent to the list, this time and date were the > >best - more people could do this time and date than any of the others > >- which is why we set it that way. > > > >If nobody else will propose an agenda, what I would suggest as a draft is: > > > >1) Discuss and agree the list of candidates - including whether or not > >to include candidates who were proposed after the deadline. > > > >2) Discuss and agree the total number of board seats for this election cycle. > > > >3) Discuss and agree the length of the voting, the start date, and the > >provisional list of voters and the number of days for ALSes not on the > >call to provide their authorised voter. > > > >We would then bring the results of these items back to the list, not > >for review, but as decisions. > > > >I will put this up on the Wiki as the *DRAFT* agenda which all ALSes > >may then edit or extend - so we have something to start from. > > > >On 03/05/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg(a)web.de> wrote: > >> All, > >> concerning the tel conf tomorrow: Many people said they cannot take part (myself offered a different time, one and a half hours earlier). Rudi and myself asked what it is about, as no one proposed an agenda yet. I proposed to discuss all issues online. I guess, the best is, that those who actually have the chance in taking part come up with a proposal for procedure which will be presented to all of us online. > >> best > >> annette > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Rudi Vansnick schrieb: > >> > This fits for me ... if at least we will have a clear agenda and no > >> > discussions about what is NOT written/signed in MoU and Bylaws. > >> > > >> > Rudi Vansnick > >> > Chair ISOC Belgium > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >-- > >-- > >Regards, > > > >Nick Ashton-Hart > >PO Box 32160 > >London N4 2XY > >United Kingdom > >UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > >USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > >Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > >mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > >Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > >Skype: nashtonhart > >Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > >_______________________________________________ > >EURO-Discuss mailing list > >EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > comunica-ch > phone +41 79 204 83 87 > www.comunica-ch.net > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Minutes, Recordings, and Transcripts of At-Large meetings
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Dear colleagues: As many of you know, there have been difficulties and delays with minutes of At-Large meetings being posted expeditiously or in a consistent way. This email is to update you on a standardised process going forward which should greatly improve records-keeping and resolve all these issues. Henceforward, we will be handling these duties in a different way, so that they will be posted much more quickly: 1) We will be recording meetings at ICANN International meetings onsite. The recordings will then be immediately available, instead of waiting for the conference service to make them available (we have also had technical problems and delays with accessing recordings from the conference service, especially in respect of very long meetings such as are regularly a feature of international meetings). For teleconferences, these recordings will be posted, as has been the case for several months now, as soon as we have access to them. 2) The recordings will be sent directly off for transcription; generally the transcripts will come back in a matter of a few days - at which point they will be posted. 3) Very summarised minutes will be produced which give only: those attending / not attending, decisions taken, voting results, and agenda items tabled for discussion at a later meeting - because they are so summarised, you can expect these meetings to be available within minutes after the meeting concludes. To update you on the secretariat-activities left over from the Lisbon meetings: We are in the process of uploading recordings of the African and European regional meetings, and also the ALAC meetings, from the Lisbon ICANN meeting. These recordings will be transcribed as well, and having sourced an affordable transcription service, we are now in the process of getting the transcriptions done. Both transcripts and audio recordings will be posted as they become available. Please accept our apologies for the delays in these administrative tasks from Lisbon in particular. The volume of meetings - the European meetings alone ran to more than 24 hours of meeting time - has done us the favour of exposing the lack of scalability of our previous procedures, but this has also provided an opportunity to improve the accessibility of meeting results and information. LOCATIONS: All of the material related to meetings of the community will continue to be posted on the wikis. The URLs for all of the wikis are now visible from the bottom of the front page of each Wiki, and also at alac.icann.org - to make them all easier to find. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Nominations - update III
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Rena: Thanks for the input, but: 1) There's no vote underway at present 2) When a vote IS underway, you will be provided a URL to an automated voting system to vote On 03/05/07, FoeBuD e.V. <mail(a)foebud.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd go for Veronica Cretu, Karen Banks und Wolf Ludwig. > > Best, > //Rena > > > FoeBuD e.V. & Big Brother Awards Deutschland > Rena Tangens & padeluun > Marktstr. 18 > D-33602 Bielefeld > > Tel: 0521-175254 > Fax: 0521-61172 > Mail: mail(a)foebud.org > > Web: www.foebud.org > www.bigbrotherawards.de > www.stoprfid.de > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Vorratsdatenspeicherung, RFID-Schnüffelchips, Videoüberwachung... > Da kann man kann ja doch nichts gegen machen? Irrtum. > FoeBuD e.V. / Kto 2129799 / Sparkasse Bielefeld / BLZ 480 501 61 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Online spenden: https://www.foebud.org/spende/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Nominations - update II
by Vittorio Bertola May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

All, this is the current status of nominations. The people who did not accept or reject yet are kindly expected to do so as soon as possible. (Wolfgang - you wrote that both Veronica and Desiree accepted, but I find it hard to vote for someone who has never sent a single message to this mailing list - could you please encourage them to join the list and send a message of acceptance and self-introduction?) For the rest, I would follow Annette's suggestion and start the discussion on the two slates of candidates and on the number of Board members. In the revised schedule, voting was expected to start on April 29th but let's see how the discussion goes - if the discussion is still alive and productive, I'm also fine with waiting until May 5th for the vote. By the way - assuming that all nominations are accepted, we now have eight candidates for the Board. If we agreed that whoever is not elected for the ALAC is added to the Board, we could have a 9-member Board and the two ALAC members, not reject anyone's desire to contribute, and only have to vote (if necessary) once. What would you think of this? Regards, == Nominations for the ALAC Patrick Vande Walle (self-nomination) (accepted) Sebastien Bachollet (Dessi) (accepted) Veronica Cretu (Wolfgang) (?) Dessi Pefeva (Vittorio) (rejected) == Nominations for the EURALO Board Rudi Vansnick (self-nomination) (accepted) Vittorio Bertola (self-nomination) (accepted) Dessi Pefeva (Vittorio) (?) Christoph Bruch (Vittorio, Wolfgang) (accepted) Desiree Miloshevic (Wolfgang) (?) Bill Drake (Wolfgang) (accepted) Jeanette Hofmann (Wolfgang) (accepted) Andres Oliva (Dessi) (?) Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (Vittorio) (rejected) -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Agenda and Meeting Page for Today's Teleconference
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Eek - yes of course - sorry for the confusion. On 03/05/07, susie sandford smith <sandfordsmith(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > the meeting is not today, it's tomorrow. well that's when i've booked it > for, Friday May 4th at 4pm UTC > > > > > > On 5/3/07, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org> wrote: > > Dear Colleagues: > > > > We've prepared the following page on www.euralo.org for the meeting > > today - it includes the dial-in details, and will be updated after the > > call with > > > > * Recording for download > > * Transcript for viewing > > > > https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?4_may_2007 > > > > -- > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > > Skype: nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EURO-Discuss mailing list > > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > > > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Agenda and Meeting Page for Today's Teleconference
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Dear Colleagues: We've prepared the following page on www.euralo.org for the meeting today - it includes the dial-in details, and will be updated after the call with * Recording for download * Transcript for viewing https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?4_may_2007 -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] PROPOSED TELECONFERENCE - 30th April
by Nick Ashton-Hart May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

It appears that we should schedule the call for May 4th, then, at at 1600 UTC / 1700 UK / 1800 Continental time. Any objections? On 26/04/07, Vittorio Bertola <vb(a)bertola.eu> wrote: > Rudi Vansnick ha scritto: > > Hi Nick, > > > > I'll not be able as I'm away for a few days (holidays). I will be back > > on the 2nd. > > Me too - I think many in Europe are taking their only chance of a few > days' break between Sunday 29th and Tuesday 1st (which is a holiday). I > might be able to find a phone to receive a call where I am (visiting a > friend in Munich) but I'd rather have the call on the 3rd or 4th, if > possible. But I wouldn't mind missing the call either, if this is > impossible. > -- > vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- > --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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Nominations update IV
by Dequinto May 3, 2007

May 3, 2007

Dear all, I would like to thanky Andres for his help about my nomination. I confirm it and I send again my presentation. Best Regards, Francisco de Quinto _____________________________________________ Paco de Quinto candidature for EURID's Board _____________________________________________ I am a lawyer and a economist, and since 1999 my speciality is legal consultancy on new technologies. My contact with ICANN goes back to 2001. I have been member of ISOC-CAT's Board during 2004-2005, period in which I directly assisted with the legal incorporation of ISOC-ECC in Barcelona. Later on, I kept collaborating with the subsequent ISOC-CAT boards on legal and accounting issues. I am a selected arbitrator of the DotCAT Foundation to solve conflicts in the adjudication of ".cat" domain names. Professionally, I have had the chance to successfully take part in several domain names recovery proceedings within the framework of the ICANN Unified Conflicts Solutions Policy. I am preparing a PhD thesis in new technology law about "digital identity management" in the Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya (UPC), and I am actually participating in several 7th framework European research programs. I think my legal and accounting experience could be very useful to consolidate the "birth" of EURALO, assisting with the drafting of legal agreements, the establishment of voting procedures, and, if this is finally the case, with the legal incorporation of the entity. Moreover, my knowledge on the legal aspects of the domain name system could be very useful for EURALO in its given task of protecting and defending the rights of the European Internet users.

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