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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Statement on ALAC review
by Annette Muehlberg June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

werner, that is a very good proposal. we could make a first draft before the working group on the review on monday (between 11:30 and 13:00, meeting at rodin and than going somewhere else as it turned out that we cannot stay there ), which might be also helpful for the discussion in the wg. than we have a second meeting (wednesday) after the wg in which we can integrate the statements made in the wg. and it would be helpful if those folks not being in paris added their thougts online. evan will send a first draft from naralo, which will also be helpful for our work. best annette > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "W.Hülsmann (DVD e.V.)" <huelsmann(a)datenschutzverein.de> > Gesendet: 22.06.08 18:19:59 > An: Discussion for At-Large Europe <euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Statement on ALAC review > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > I've to leave on tuesday. Perhaps we can do it in to steps: > > The first step on monday and the second step on wednesday. > > Kind regards > > > William Drake schrieb: > | Hi Jeanette, > | As I said, I can't do it tomorrow as I'm at the GigaNet workshop off site. > | Tuesday is probably not good due to the NCUC meeting, but Wednesday > between > | the GNSO meeting and the IG workshop would work... > | > | Best, > | > | Bill > | > | On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette(a)wzb.eu> wrote: > | > |> Yes, it is being discussed. But we havn't found a time slot yet where a > |> sufficient number of EURALO members can meet to draft a statement. One > |> potential meeting time discussed today over lunch would be tomorrow, > |> Monday, at 11.30 after the IPv4/IPv6 workshop. Perhaps, Euralo members > |> currrently in Paris could indicate their interest and availability for > |> small drafting group? > |> > |> Thanks, jeanette > |> > > > > > #################################################### > Vorratsdatenspeicherung? Nein Danke! - Noch ist es > nicht zu spät: http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de > #################################################### > > - -- > > Dipl. Inform. Werner Hülsmann > Vorstandsmitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung für Datenschutz (DVD) e.V. > Obere Laube 48 - D-78462 Konstanz > Tel.: 07531 / 365905-6 Mobil: 0179 / 46 86 484 > E-Mail: huelsmann(a)datenschutzverein.de > http://www.datenschutzverein.de > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIXnubM1J18ejmiesRAlJNAJsHtj4iIjGYK8NO39vudxXZLqMvtwCfZ3Iy > mZRA0gTfQahCeYwGkAoLCxk= > =cIVc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org > --

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Change of Time to Monday Opening of Paris ICANN Meeting - starts half an hour early
by Nick Ashton-Hart June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

On Monday, Min. Eric Besson will be joining us to speak at the Welcome Ceremony for the Paris ICANN Meeting - to accommodate his schedule, there is a change in the morning schedule - the President's Report will open the day at 8:30 am and the Welcome Ceremony is scheduled to start at 9:30am. In other words, the meeting will start one-half hour earlier than previously scheduled. http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20jun08-en.htm -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 301-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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EURALO General Assembly at the 32nd International Public ICANN Paris Conference in Paris
by Frederic Teboul June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

Dear all, We would like to draw your attention upon the upcoming EURALO General Assembly at the 32nd International Public ICANN Paris Conference in Paris. The meeting will start at 2.00 PM in the Jacob Room and will last for three hours. For those of you unable to attend the meeting in person, remote participation options are available to you - details are available on the meeting page at https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?21_june_2008_ga <https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?21_june_2008_ga> . If you have suggestions, comments or questions concerning the agenda of this meeting, please use the comment button on the agenda page itself. Attached you will find the following documents, for the meeting, which will also be available in printed versions at the meeting: * List of attendees (voting and non-voting) * Agenda of the EURALO-GA * EURALO By-laws * EURALO MoU * EURALO Working Budget 2008-09 The following documents will also be available online above, and at the meeting: * EURALO Board's Report / Chair Report * EURALO Working Program 2008-2009 * "Resolution" on individual users participation and membership at EURALO In addition to the above-mentioned 8 documents, a number of documents related to policy matters under discussion at ICANN will be available at the meeting. These will also be linked to the agenda page above in due course. We wish you all a very safe trip. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC Review Draft is published
by Dominik Filipp June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

JFC Morfin wrote: > Now, the question is: "is it good for the Community > that the BoD acts as an audit and a wisepeople council > rather than a leader?". There are cons and pros. > jfc For me, definitely yes. Leaders are usually necessary in communities of people not strong enough to take responsibility for their own affaires. Dominik -----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of JFC Morfin Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:58 PM To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] ALAC Review Draft is published At 20:57 19/06/2008, Dominik Filipp wrote: >A ridiculous, upside down logic. I would personally recommend that >At-Large refuse the draft document as a whole due to a false logic it >is based upon. I am not sure this is ridiculous: this is a very good account of the way ICANN decisions are taken. As consensuses prepared by the Staff: france@large observed it is also the case at ALAC (through its accreditation process). Now, the question is: "is it good for the Community that the BoD acts as an audit and a wisepeople council rather than a leader?". There are cons and pros. jfc _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lis ts.icann.org Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org

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Your support for the Staff's “Improvement”-Survey needed
by Wolf Ludwig June 19, 2008

June 19, 2008

Dear All You will have received At-Large Staff’s (Frederic Teboul’s) recent email asking some questions of you as a member of the At-Large community and some of you have already replied. As there have been a few questions about the message, the Staff would like to provide some additional information. Firstly, we want to emphasize that this effort is meant to be a collaborative process – we are asking you to provide information so that we can combine your answers with others in the At-Large community and create a summary of the community’s views on how its involvement in ICANN can be better supported. We will share the aggregated input with you, along with an analysis of the trends that we see, and our thoughts on how we might collectively – Staff and community - respond to the Regional At-Large Organizations’ needs to support greater involvement in ICANN. After community discussion and concurrence, an Action Plan will be publicly posted and implemented. To be clear, the questions you have been asked to respond to relate only to the At-Large community and its involvement in ICANN. To avoid any confusion, we are re-stating the questions below, and would appreciate receiving your thoughts. This exercise is part of Staff's ongoing effort to better serve the At-Large community. It is not related to the completely separate and independent “ALAC Review” currently being conducted under the auspices of the Board as part of their process for reviewing all ICANN structures. We know you are all busy and that you volunteer for your At-Large group and ICANN in your spare time. On reflection, we therefore think the original deadline was overly ambitious. It would be a great help if we could get a good set of responses on or before the end of the Paris ICANN meeting (25th June). This will allow us to move on to the next steps in the process mentioned above in due course. That said, of course the kind of input we seek in this short questionnaire is always welcome – we are always glad to hear your thoughts, concerns and ideas. For your convenience, below you will find a restated set of the same questions. 1. What issues being debated in ICANN do you believe are the most important to your RALO? 2. How can we help make the time you spend on ICANN issues as valuable and efficient to you as possible? 3. What challenges and opportunities do you see for your RALO and for At-Large more generally (in the context of ICANN work)? 4. How interaction between and within RALOs be increased? 5. What are the top three things you would like your RALO to achieve? 6. What are the top three things you believe ICANN Staff could do to help your RALO? Please try to find some time to answer the questions -- short responses are welcome as well. Many thanks in advance for your time with these questions – but also with ICANN! Best Regards, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allemd http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_icann_at_large_europe

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Fast Track - debat
by jefsey June 18, 2008

June 18, 2008

http://wikidna.org/index.php?title=FAST_TRACK_PROCESS_FOR_THE_INTRODUCTION_… A votre convenance et pour débat france@large la position présentée par le Staff sur Fast Track a été mise en ligne. For you convenience and france@large debate the Staff position on Fast Track has been put on-line. jfc

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france@large press release (in French)
by JFC Morfin June 17, 2008

June 17, 2008

It seems that this PR did not make it to the lists. I send it again. It clarifies the france@large/ALAC relations. jfc ---- Versailles, le 16 juin 2008. france@large est la plus ancienne organisation mondiale d'"Internet @larges" ou d'"internautes ad largum", c'est à dire libres de toute contrainte, de ce fait considérés dans leur diversité comme représentatifs des besoins de toute la communauté des internautes sans distinction d'origine ou d'orientation d'aucune sorte. Formée en association 1901 en 2000 par les candidats français au Conseil d'Administration de l'ICANN, elle se compose d'un secrétariat coopté supportant une libre de diffusion de membres, ses sites et outils communs, de multiples Centres d'eXpertise et leur coopération avec divers projets. http://franceatlarge.org. france@large diffuse le communiqué de presse suivant. En tant que gestionnaires et propriétaires de nos propres internets, et par là co-propriétaires de l'internet général, nous sommes soucieux d'un fonctionnement efficace et harmonieux des protocoles, de l'adressage, du nommage et des référentiels nécessaires à sa technologie numérique et à l'émergence des solutions et services de facilitation sémantiques, dans le cadre d'un support multilinguistique robuste. A ce titre nous sommes attentifs à l'interopérabilité de nos choix techniques avec ceux de la communauté ICANN/IETF. Nous avons donc fait beaucoup pour aider à un accueil convenable de l'ICANN à Paris et pour la coopération de nos projets. Dans le but de leur montrer qu'il n'y avait pas que les Etats-Unis dans l'Internet et que nous étions prêts à travailler ensemble, pour autant que l'on adopte, dans le respect de chacune des cultures et avec le souci de chacun des intérêts nationaux, des valeurs plus françaises et moins mercantiles. Nous avons donc proposé notre coopération à un effort d'interopérabilité avec l'Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) auprès du Groupe de Travail présidé par Vint Cerf sur le support linguistique dans le système des noms de domaine (DNS), et à l'effort d'intégration de l'ICANN auprès de nos collègues @large français, européens et mondiaux. Nous avons engagé l'initiative Multilinc à la frontière du DNS et du sémantique et trouvé un modus vivendi acceptable entre les projets IDNA de l'IETF et ML-DNS de france@large (qui visent à un support totalement indifférencié et égal des toutes les langues, écritures et cultures, ce à quoi la langue française et l'expérience de la francophonie nous prédisposent). Par contre, l'ICANN a dans un premier temps décliné notre coopération avant leur sommet européen de Paris où nous ne pourrons donc présenter nos positions, projets pour la communauté et accomplissements. france@large et l'assemblée de ses membres @large en prennent acte. Nous comprenons par là que l'ICANN poursuit des objectifs différents des nôtres et qu'elle veut nous amener à les adopter en préalable. Nos objectifs sont ceux des Déclarations unanimes du Sommet Mondial pour la Société de l'Information : l'engagement que notre société soit "people centric, à caractère humain, centrada en la persona". N'étant pas intéressée par un tel changement d'allégeance, france@large ne peut que suggérer aux @large français de participer à titre personnel à la Conférence de l'ICANN où ils peuvent nouer des liens avec des personnes soumises aux mêmes contraintes qu'eux et mieux comprendre leurs problèmes communs. france@large, ignorée par l'ICANN, entend n'avoir à cette conférence aucune présence officielle ou pro-active, et ignorer l'ICANN, évitant ainsi les risques de friction. Ce dont traite l'ICANN ne l'intéressant que par les contraintes qui en résultent pour la communauté Internet mondiale, elle reste toutefois ouverte à tout dialogue facilitant la transition du IANA vers une solution distribuée, dont certains de ses membres engagent l'expérimentation sur le terrain. Elle organise le 27 juin à 14 heures une réunion de débriefing de la venue de l'ICANN pour ceux qui le désirent, participe le 28 juin à l'InterCamp au Sommet de l'Arche de la Défense, et tient le 2 juillet une assemblée générale où ces Centres d'eXpertise discuteront d'un plan stratégique pour un Internet Sémantique et Multilingue, centré sur les personnes, dans le respect de leurs cultures et des nos valeurs. Elle reconstruit actuellement le dossier préparatoire à cette réunion. Elle organise ou participe à diverses autres réunions ou événements spécialisés tout au long de la Semaine de l'Internet Mondial de Paris qu'elle avait sucitée pour accompagner le travail engagé et accompli par Sébastien Bachollet et l'AGIFEM et où tous les Internet @larges présents à Paris sont très cordialement invités. Elle convie également le plus grand nombre des @larges français de participer à la manifestation EGENI, où nous escomptons tous fermement que M. Besson nous fera dire dans un contexte national interne les fondations de ce qu'il dira à l'ICANN dans un contexte international, et que nous verrons peut-être se dessiner avec les intervenants (Catherine Trautmann, Christopher Wilkinson, Bertrand de la Chapelle, etc.) les contours de l'Euro-FGI et des débats prioritaires au sein du FGI-FR (liste élargie et ouverte des Priorités Numériques). Toutes les informations sont sur le site de grance@large ou y seront dans les jours qui viennent au fur et à mesure de la reconstruction de l'agenda. http://egeni.org http://fr-fgi.fr http://assisesdunumerique.fr http://isoc.fr http://franceatlarge.org DIC 103 - Priorités Numériques http://wikifgi-fr.org/index.php?title=DIC_103_-_Priorit%C3%A9s_Num%C3%A9riq… _______________________________________________ diffusion mailing list diffusion(a)fgi-fr.org http://fgi-fr.org/mailman/listinfo/diffusion_fgi-fr.org

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Issues for Paris
by LB June 17, 2008

June 17, 2008

Dear friends, good morning. I would like to know how the system will work, which will broadcast on the Internet the proceedings of the ALAC and Euralo in Paris. Thank you! -- LB

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Improvement of the win-win relationship between the Staff and the At-Large Community
by Frederic Teboul June 11, 2008

June 11, 2008

Monsieur Morfin, Merci pour votre message et au plaisir de vous rencontrer la semaine prochaine. Frédéric Frédéric E. Teboul, Ph.D., MBA Manager for At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Phone Number: +33 6 3487 0575 (France) & +1 310 578 8642 (USA) Email: frederic.teboul(a)icann.org AIM/iSight: frederic.teboul(a)mac.com Jabber: frederic.teboul(a)jabber.icann.org Skype: frederic.teboul On 10/06/08 23:17, "JFC Morfin" <jefsey(a)jefsey.com> wrote: At 17:56 10/06/2008, At-Large Staff wrote: >For your convenience, below you will find a restated set of the same >questions. This answer is based upon the vision that ICANN is not necessary to the Internet on an Internet @large point of view, but necessary to some members of the Internet community. As such ICANN : 1) must undertake a transition towards a mission which is not yet well defined as enhanced cooperation has not been really discussed by the WSIS community. It is therefore likely that this mission will not be finalized before the end of JPA and IGF. 2) @large are probably probably going to be the toughest competition ICANN will meet in the coming years if it engages into a TLD marketing campaign, because the technical evolution is to a dillution of the DNS in terms of TLDs and semantic addressing. (This conforms to ICANN ICP-3 document ICANN should reread). > 1. What issues being debated in ICANN do you believe are the most >important to your RALO? - which services ICANN can bring to the @large community in terms of network operations (escrow is an idea). - Mostly ICANN can help RALO meetings, and RALOs progressive autonomy from ICANN in order to become credible ICANN interfaces (RALO must take over an interest in practical operations ISOC has never taken). Otherwise it will be a grassroots @large deployment. These kinds of move are slow and call for adequate/credible tools/applications. I think we see them coming (ex. unbound). >2. How can we help make the time you spend on ICANN issues as valuable and >efficient to you as possible? - In listening and reporting to the BoD. @large are no value to ICANN if they are not accepted as field experts. What is certainly difficult is to assess the exact field of expertise of each of them (usage, PRs, operations, DNS, legal, political, future, connections, etc.). This kind of work calls for a great expertise in the Internet field, just to be able to understand the implications of what is reported. Example: ICANN should work out an agreement with IETF on a IETF/ICANN WG-@large able to interface @larges. Not so much to answer @larges, but to get commented/translated field inputs from @larges as lead users. Probably the same with the GAC. >3. What challenges and opportunities do you see for your RALO and for >At-Large more generally (in the context of ICANN work)? Getting ICANN to properly define a strategic objective which fits whith what Internet users might be interested in. The real risk is an ICANN split due to a disagreement between what ICANN proposes and what users really wait for. >4. How interaction between and within RALOs be increased? f2f specialised meetings. Working/Reporting on a given topic. With external experts. >5. What are the top three things you would like your RALO to achieve? - participate in creating the Euro-IGF - document a position on ICANN future and specific services to Europe - accredit france@large :-) >6. What are the top three things you believe ICANN Staff could do to help >your RALO? - explain why they opposed france@large - work on support of the RALO through working tools. Mailing lists (ICANN Staff should be explained about) are not sufficient. This is a community wide need ICANN should be associated with - organising the funding of network oriented Open Source projects. GPL is not oriented towards networking solutions. (cf. RFC 3869) jfc _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.… Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org

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Re: [EURO-Discuss] Improvement of the win-win relationship between the Staff and the At-Large Community
by Kleinwächter, Wolfgang June 11, 2008

June 11, 2008

Wolfgang Kleinwächter, Medienstadt Leipzig e.V., EU-RALO: 1. What issues being debated in ICANN do you believe are the most important to your RALO? User and consumer rights, in patricular with regard to the so-called ICANN issues (including freedom of expression, date protection, privacy, prices, security, stability, diversity, multilingualism) 2. How can we help make the time you spend on ICANN issues as valuable and efficient to you as possible? a. To avoid long and time consuming buerocratical procedures and discussions b. to concentrate on substance and relevant issues c. to imrpove the interaction with other ICANN constituencies d. to work towards a more significant AL representation in the BoD (from Voice to Vote) 3. What challenges and opportunities do you see for your RALO and for At-Large more generally (in the context of ICANN work)? ALAC and the RALO mechanism have a great opportunity (and responsibility) to become the center of gravity for individual Internet users around the globe. For ICANN as a whole such an acceptance would produce a much higher level of legitimacy and would help ICANN to become - as stated in the Annex to the JPA - a model of a multistakeholder organisation. If ICANN can achieve this, it will be much safer against a new wave of efforts by various (governmental) groups to get a more direct governmental oversight over the management of critical Internet ressources. This is in particular important in the context of the IGF. 4. How interaction between and within RALOs be increased? Specialized F2F meetings, also on the local/rgional level are important. Workshops, Round Tables etc. with opportunities for remote participation are very helpful but have to be prepared carefully. There has to be substance für such events, not just "coming together and strengthening relationships". A workplan which would identify three to five main priority topics for individual Internet users for a period of three or five years would helpful. Based on working papers, such a process could produce a discussion around issues aimed at a final document which could lead to an "At Large Publication Series" where users get quick access to answers. 5. What are the top three things you would like your RALO to achieve? a. to stablize its still fragile institutional structure b. to do more outreach to get a sub-regional geographical balance (in case of EU-RALO this means CEEC, Russia but also Northern Europe (Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Greenland) c. to produce more substance / input d. to become a key player in the EURO-IGF 6. What are the top three things you believe ICANN Staff could do to help your RALO? a.reduce the burocratical barriers to get things done b.organize financial support for local and regional activities c. fight for ALAC interests and positions within the ICANN burocracy d. help to transform ALAC into an ALSO which would give the AL the same right as the three other SOs have, that is to send two voting directors to th Board.

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