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Re: [EURO-Discuss] [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
by Nick Ashton-Hart Nov. 29, 2006

Nov. 29, 2006

Depends upon what you meant by the line: did you mean that I was altering the text, as I mentioned? If so, that's how I remember it and I did already make that change. That's the only clarifying I remember that I was to do. Nick On 29/11/06, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch(a)humanistische-union.de> wrote: > Hi Nick: > > I rephrased the sentence concerning the criteria for the place of > incorporation. > > Did I get you right, you are objecting to the sentence > "Will clarify his suggestion: role and relationship of GA and standing > committee"? > > I will delete this sentence if that is the case. > > Christoph > > > ______________________________________________ > Dr. Christoph Bruch Humanistische Union > Neue Christstr. 6 Greifswalder Str. 4 > 14059 Berlin 10405 Berlin > Tel/Fax: (030) 32103282Tel: (030) 20450256 > Fax: (030) 20450257 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: euralo-ml-bounces(a)euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im > Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2006 23:10 > An: EURALO Mailing-List; euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Betreff: Re: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws > > Just a couple of points: > > On place of incorporation, I didn't suggest those two criteria, those > were the criteria which were decided upon in Berlin (minor point but I > thought I'd mention it). > > With respect to the General Assembly: I don't believe I was to clarify > the role with respect to the Standing Committee, except for the > one-word change which was suggested (which is on the Wiki). Perhaps > that's what you meant Christophe :) > > On 28/11/06, bruch <bruch(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > please find attached my notes from the Athens meeting. > > > > I marked them as draft in case any of the participants has additions or > > corrections. > > > > Best > > > > Christoph > > > > > > _____________________ > > Dr. Christoph Bruch > > Neue Christstr. 6 > > 14059 Berlin > > Tel./Fax: +49 (0)30 - 3210 3282 > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: euralo-ml-bounces(a)euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces@euralo.eu] Im > > Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart > > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2006 16:28 > > An: EURALO Mailing-List > > Cc: philippe(a)epistrophe.fr > > Betreff: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws > > > > Hello everyone! > > > > I'm sorry it has taken this long to get back to you after the IGF Meeting, > > but we are in the throes of preparing for the Sao Paulo meeting which is > > consuming pretty much everyone in any way connected with it. You will at > > some point be receiving further notes from this meeting courtesy of > > Christophe Bruch. > > > > I have updated the Wiki - removing more bot spam - and including the > > amendments which were discussed and agreed by the participants in the EU > ALS > > Meeting at the Internet Governance Forum. Of course anyone is completely > > within their rights to put forward a contrary view. > > > > What was suggested at that meeting, to make it easier to see changes > > proposed in these last stages of editing the text, is that new text would > be > > in BOLD, and deleted text would be in brackets and ITALICISED. > > > > Accordingly you will find that there are a few bold provisions now - and > > there are details in the annotated discussion page showing the history of > > revisions. > > > > As you'll see below, we are technically at the end of the period for > > proposing further edits to the text. However, I have been to busy to do > all > > of the work associated with the various stages. The Sao Paulo meeting is > in > > 10 days and I know several of us will be fully engaged in preparing to go > to > > it. > > > > May I suggest the following: > > > > 1) The two week period for putting forward additional provisions is > > continued through the 10th December. > > > > 2) At that point, I will send out the summaries as provided below for the > > week of the 20th - 26th November, and the following week we will proceed > as > > if it was the period from 27th November to 3 December. > > > > This will still allow us to (hopefully) conclude the Bylaws by the end of > > the year. > > > > Naturally any thoughts that anyone has are most welcomed! > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nashton(a)spamcop.net> > > Date: 1 November 2006 17:52:41 GMT > > To: "EURALO Mailing-List" <euralo-ml(a)euralo.eu> > > Subject: Procedure for Completing Work on the Bylaws > > > > Good evening all: > > > > As a number of you have noted, there is a necessity for additional > > time to be inserted in the procedure that was proposed (and which > no > > objections were raised about). After talking with Annette, > Roberto, > > and others, we propose that the first stage would insert an > > additional > > two weeks into the phase which was to conclude this Monday. > > > > This, then, would be the timeline, which of course will be > discussed > > tomorrow: > > > > PERIOD THROUGH 19th NOVEMBER > > > > During this period: > > > > 1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they: > > a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the > objection, > > and > > propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for > direct > > inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the > objection; > > b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the > > change – > > send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and > the > > reasons for proposing the addition.. > > c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly > > whether > > it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment. > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE > > WILL > > BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to > > change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note > and > > ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted. > > > > As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the > > Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the > > email > > in which the proposal was made. > > > > Nick will send a reminder email at the beginning of the week of > the > > 13th November, reminding everyone that one week remains to make > the > > comments requested above. He will place a call to each ALS > > representative during the course of the week to make sure they > > understand the process, and to offer any assistance in drafting > that > > may be required if they have an issue. He will also ask if any > ALS > > is > > happy to let the others decide on the remaining issues; where an > ALS > > states that is the case, Nick will tell them that they need to > make > > that clear by a posting to the list. Of course, any ALS may change > > their mind about this at any point; we just want everyone to know > > that > > none of the ALSes have somehow missed out on what is going on. > > > > WEEK OF 20-26 NOVEMBER > > > > At the beginning of the week, Nick will send out: > > > > 1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been > > received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The > email > > will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if > no > > objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for > > which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be > presumed > > to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments. > > 2) An individual email for each section where there are > > multiple > > options, or where amendments have been suggested, with > instructions > > at > > the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the > week: > > > > 1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw > > attention to them; > > 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw > > attention > > to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of > > acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred, > > and > > the last option chosen being least preferred. > > 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the > same > > effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one > > option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on > > the > > table". > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element. > SILENCE > > WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to > again > > make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for > > responding, > > or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any > issues > > to > > raise otherwise. > > > > As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in, > Nick > > will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the > > date > > and subject of the email in which the proposal was made. > > > > WEEK OF 27 NOVEMBER - 3 DECEMBER > > > > At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of > > comments/objections received in the previous week on the various > > individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were > > selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most > acceptable > > will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent > > out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week > > and > > covering the same areas of the text > > > > 1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with > no > > comments received or objections raised, if no objections were > made, > > that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for > amendments. > > 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if > no > > objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be > > assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments. > > 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary > of > > the > > comments received will be provided. The group will then have to > > decide > > on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of > disagreement. > > > > The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of > > the > > whole text, to allow reading of it there. > > > > ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is > > proposed > > not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the > interest > > of > > finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a > > positive > > vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very > > complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a > > consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want > > everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's > point > > of > > view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will > > telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody > has > > accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes > > can > > be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the > bylaws. > > > > ---- > > The following was the procedure as originally proposed. It is > > reproduced here so that everyone can see the variations between > what > > is above, which are minor, and the original: > > > > > > WEEK OF 9-15 OCTOBER > > > > Nick will edit the text on the Wiki so that the source of all > > changes > > from the text as at the end of the Berlin Meeting on 17th > September > > are clearly documented. This will include showing the proposer of > > the > > change, the date and subject line of the email in which the change > > is > > discussed, so that it is easier and more transparent process-wise > > for > > everyone to understand the evolution of the document, especially > > with > > the rapid development of the last two weeks. > > > > Once this is done, he will > > > > 1) Announce that the changes just mentioned have been made, and in > > that announcement also send out the following documents: > > > > 1) The text as at the end of the 17th September meeting, in > > Microsoft > > Word, with the changes necessary to correct English grammar and > > style > > errors shown as redlined additions and deletions from the text; > > 2) The same text, with all the necessary English revisions > > approved, > > so that it is easy to read the output. > > > > The email will also let people know that in the coming week: > > > > 1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they: > > a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the > objection, > > and > > propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for > direct > > inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the > objection; > > b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the > > change – > > send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and > the > > reasons for proposing the addition.. > > c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly > > whether > > it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment. > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE > > WILL > > BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to > > change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note > and > > ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted. > > > > As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the > > Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the > > email > > in which the proposal was made. > > > > WEEK OF 16-22 OCTOBER > > > > Nick will send a reminder email to everyone to ask him or her to > > make > > the comments as requested immediately above during the course of > the > > week. He will then place a call to each ALS representative during > > the > > course of the week to make sure they understand the process, and > to > > offer any assistance in drafting that may be required if they have > > an > > issue. He will also ask if any ALS is happy to let the others > > decide > > on the remaining issues; where an ALS states that is the case, > Nick > > will tell them that they need to make that clear by a posting to > the > > list. Of course, any ALS may change their mind about this at any > > point; we just want everyone to know that none of the ALSes have > > somehow missed out on what is going on. > > > > At the end of the week, Nick will send out: > > > > 1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been > > received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The > email > > will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if > no > > objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for > > which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be > presumed > > to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments. > > 2) An individual email for each section where there are > > multiple > > options, or where amendments have been suggested, with > instructions > > at > > the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the > week: > > > > 1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw > > attention to them; > > 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw > > attention > > to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of > > acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred, > > and > > the last option chosen being least preferred. > > 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the > same > > effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one > > option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on > > the > > table". > > > > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element. > SILENCE > > WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT. > > > > Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to > again > > make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for > > responding, > > or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any > issues > > to > > raise otherwise. > > > > As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in, > Nick > > will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the > > date > > and subject of the email in which the proposal was made. > > > > WEEK OF 23-29 OCTOBER > > > > At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of > > comments/objections received in the previous week on the various > > individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were > > selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most > acceptable > > will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent > > out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week > > and > > covering the same areas of the text > > > > 1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with > no > > comments received or objections raised, if no objections were > made, > > that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for > amendments. > > 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if > no > > objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be > > assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments. > > 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary > of > > the > > comments received will be provided. The group will then have to > > decide > > on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of > disagreement. > > > > The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of > > the > > whole text, to allow reading of it there. > > > > ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is > > proposed > > not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the > interest > > of > > finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a > > positive > > vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very > > complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a > > consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want > > everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's > point > > of > > view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will > > telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody > has > > accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes > > can > > be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the > bylaws. > > > > -- > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > > Skype: nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Euralo-ML mailing list > > Euralo-ML(a)euralo.eu > > http://lists.euralo.eu/mailman/listinfo/euralo-ml > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / > Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and > colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans > Frontieres, to help them provide medical care to those much less > fortunate than ourselves. > _______________________________________________ > Euralo-ML mailing list > Euralo-ML(a)euralo.eu > http://lists.euralo.eu/mailman/listinfo/euralo-ml > > _______________________________________________ > Euralo-ML mailing list > Euralo-ML(a)euralo.eu > http://lists.euralo.eu/mailman/listinfo/euralo-ml > -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans Frontieres, to help them provide medical care to those much less fortunate than ourselves.

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EURALO list completely incorporated into new list server
by Nick Ashton-Hart Nov. 29, 2006

Nov. 29, 2006

Hello all! I have now incorporated all subscribers in the old euralo-ml mailing list into the new european regional lists. euro-als(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org: Only accredited ALSes belong. euro-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org: all of those who are subscribed to euralo-ml are subscribed. Needless to say there are many other lists which you can subscribe to in the At Large world now - feel free - and also several useful new lists that you can send to and get the relevant staff people you need (travel-staff(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org is particularly useful; now only one email will get your TARF requests handled for example). The address for the lists is: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/ listinfo -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nashton(a)spamcop.net Win IM: ashtonhart(a)hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart(a)mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart

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