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Re: [council] Fwd: Assignment of NCAs
by Gomes, Chuck Sept. 6, 2009

Sept. 6, 2009

Thanks Avri. Chuck Chuck Gomes ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-council(a)gnso.icann.org <owner-council(a)gnso.icann.org> To: Council GNSO <council(a)gnso.icann.org> Sent: Sat Sep 05 19:33:54 2009 Subject: [council] Fwd: Assignment of NCAs I was encouraged to forward this on from a semi private conversation. Begin forwarded message: > From: Avri Doria <avri(a)acm.org> > Date: 4 September 2009 15:26:38 EDT > Subject: Re: Assignment of NCAs > > Hi, > > I have a few views. > > 1. the best of all possible worlds is that the NCAs pick. I do not > think it really mater that one is new. I think that the 2 current > ones can have a conversation explain the lay of the land and then > between them figure it out. One of the things we have figured out is > that the NCAs need to work together in order to cover everything. > i.e while they do not have the same viewpoints or the same > affinities as those in the constituencies/SG, the amount of work is > the same. The only way they can survive is to share. So day 1 is a > good time to start - this should happen anyway. Also we can not > assume that everyone enters as a tabla rasa. > > 2. I still like the idea of having NCAs serve in all houses with > them rotating through the houses annually or semi annually, bringing > the understanding that is lacking of the other houses with them. As > was spoken of and seen in the last meeting, there are many fierce > animosities in the GNSO that are barely kept in check. It has always > been thus. The NCAs can help to bridge these somewhat merely by > moving from house to house to houseless. > > 3. The reason someone is appointed is to contribute. As much as > possible that should be from day one. Yeah it is hard, but i guess > people should know that coming in. Why volunteer otherwise. It is > not glamorous, is often painful, and there are very few rewards for > anyone who does not find their reward in doing a job they think > worth the time as well as they can. It is easier to contribute as > part of a group whether it is constituency, sg or house as there > are group dynamics that carry one alone. As a lone NCA without a > vote and nothing but ones understanding and ability to speak to the > issues to aid them in contribution will require experience. That is > why I suggest that the longest in the council should be the loner. > To be so isolated with no vote and nothing to do but watch for a > year trying to get a word in edgewise would seem to be to be rather > debilitating. Just think of what is like to move to new place and > be all alone and relatively irrelevant for a year. That is what it > would be like. > One question came in on this was whether I considered Alan irrelevant because he had no vote. I responded: > Alan is a case for my argument. He is experienced and knows what > to do. > He doesn't need a vote. Besides he has ALAC behind him. > My point is, a newbie who knew nothing about the GNSO and council > working > would be at a loss and since they did not even have the obligation > of voting to force > them to get up to speed, I expect that most would just sit quietly > in the corner and feel > lost. In truth and in reconsidering what I wrote, I must admit, that even as a homeless newbie, I would have probably done everything possible to get up to speed and then gotten vocal vote or no vote. But not everyone is as shy and retiring as I am. Most people need some group environment to feel able to contribute. Then again, the council could put in its requirements - brash and outspoken people are desired. Just my 2 euro. a.

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Re: Absentee Ballot on Fast Flux Hosting motion
by Mary Wong Sept. 6, 2009

Sept. 6, 2009

Hi all, * On the Fast Flux Hosting motion I vote: * [X] Yes * [ ] No * [ ] Abstain * Password: pink-3 Thanks and cheers, Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong(a)piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584

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Fwd: Assignment of NCAs
by Avri Doria Sept. 5, 2009

Sept. 5, 2009

I was encouraged to forward this on from a semi private conversation. Begin forwarded message: > From: Avri Doria <avri(a)acm.org> > Date: 4 September 2009 15:26:38 EDT > Subject: Re: Assignment of NCAs > > Hi, > > I have a few views. > > 1. the best of all possible worlds is that the NCAs pick. I do not > think it really mater that one is new. I think that the 2 current > ones can have a conversation explain the lay of the land and then > between them figure it out. One of the things we have figured out is > that the NCAs need to work together in order to cover everything. > i.e while they do not have the same viewpoints or the same > affinities as those in the constituencies/SG, the amount of work is > the same. The only way they can survive is to share. So day 1 is a > good time to start - this should happen anyway. Also we can not > assume that everyone enters as a tabla rasa. > > 2. I still like the idea of having NCAs serve in all houses with > them rotating through the houses annually or semi annually, bringing > the understanding that is lacking of the other houses with them. As > was spoken of and seen in the last meeting, there are many fierce > animosities in the GNSO that are barely kept in check. It has always > been thus. The NCAs can help to bridge these somewhat merely by > moving from house to house to houseless. > > 3. The reason someone is appointed is to contribute. As much as > possible that should be from day one. Yeah it is hard, but i guess > people should know that coming in. Why volunteer otherwise. It is > not glamorous, is often painful, and there are very few rewards for > anyone who does not find their reward in doing a job they think > worth the time as well as they can. It is easier to contribute as > part of a group whether it is constituency, sg or house as there > are group dynamics that carry one alone. As a lone NCA without a > vote and nothing but ones understanding and ability to speak to the > issues to aid them in contribution will require experience. That is > why I suggest that the longest in the council should be the loner. > To be so isolated with no vote and nothing to do but watch for a > year trying to get a word in edgewise would seem to be to be rather > debilitating. Just think of what is like to move to new place and > be all alone and relatively irrelevant for a year. That is what it > would be like. > One question came in on this was whether I considered Alan irrelevant because he had no vote. I responded: > Alan is a case for my argument. He is experienced and knows what > to do. > He doesn't need a vote. Besides he has ALAC behind him. > My point is, a newbie who knew nothing about the GNSO and council > working > would be at a loss and since they did not even have the obligation > of voting to force > them to get up to speed, I expect that most would just sit quietly > in the corner and feel > lost. In truth and in reconsidering what I wrote, I must admit, that even as a homeless newbie, I would have probably done everything possible to get up to speed and then gotten vocal vote or no vote. But not everyone is as shy and retiring as I am. Most people need some group environment to feel able to contribute. Then again, the council could put in its requirements - brash and outspoken people are desired. Just my 2 euro. a.

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Absentee voting on the Fast Flux motion has closed
by Glen de Saint Géry Sept. 5, 2009

Sept. 5, 2009

Fast Flux Hosting motion. Absentee voting on the Fast Flux Hosting motion closed on Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 23:15 UTC. The motion and complete results will be published on the Council list. Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org

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Proposed Motion on joint ALAC/GNSO Drafting Team
by Avri Doria Sept. 5, 2009

Sept. 5, 2009

Motion on joint ALAC/GNSO Drafting team Proposed by Avri Doria Whereas On March 4 2009 (Resolution 20090304-2)the GNSO council committed to "drafting a registrant rights charter" in cooperation the ALAC and As part of the same resolution (20090304-2) the GNSO council committed to creating a "drafting Team to discuss further amendments to the RAA and to identify those on which further action may be desirable" Resolved The GNSO accepts the charter defined in http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/raa-drafting-team-charter-03sep09-en.pdf with the deliverables and milestones as set out in that charter and invites the ALAC to participate as a partner in this effort. The drafting team, at its next meeting, will pick a pair of coordinators, one each from the At-Large Community and the GNSO.

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Re: Absentee Ballot on Fast Flux Hosting motion
by Glen de Saint Géry Sept. 4, 2009

Sept. 4, 2009

On behalf of Tony Holmes who is without Internet Connectivity > > * On the Fast Flux Hosting motion I vote: > * [ X] Yes > * [ ] No > * [ ] Abstain > * Password: red-4 Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org

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GNSO Council resolutions and consensus items 3 September 2009
by Glen de Saint Géry Sept. 4, 2009

Sept. 4, 2009

Dear Councillors, Ahead of the official minutes the following resolutions were passed and consensus was reached on the items below at the GNSO Council meeting on Thursday, 3 September 2009. MP3 Recording of the GNSO Council meeting: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-council-20090903.mp3 Motion 1 ========= Motion on joint ALAC/GNSO Drafting team Proposed by Avri Doria Second: Mike Rodenbaugh Whereas On March 4 2009 (Resolution 20090304-2)the GNSO council committed to "drafting a registrant rights charter" in cooperation the ALAC and As part of the same resolution (20090304-2) the GNSO council committed to creating a "drafting Team to discuss further amendments to the RAA and to identify those on which further action may be desirable" Resolved The GNSO accepts the charter defined in http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/raa-drafting-team-charter-03sep09-en.pdf with the deliverables and milestones as set out in that charter and invites the ALAC to participate as a partner in this effort. The drafting team, at its next meeting, will pick a pair of coordinators, one each from the At-Large Community and the GNSO. With charter amended as: Replace under Charter (B) item 3 - replace 'amendments' with 'topics' to read "Propose next steps for considering such topics" The motion passed by voice vote. Councillors present at the time of the vote. Philip Sheppard, Mike Rodenbaugh, Kristina Rosette, Tony Holmes, Maggie Mansourkia, William Drake, Adrian Kinderis, Tim Ruiz, Stéphane van Gelder, Jordi Iparraguirre, Edmon Chung, Chuck Gomes, Olga Cavalli. One Abstention - Avri Doria, Nominating Committee Appointee (NCA) Avri Doria stated the following reasons for abstaining Due to Commercial Stakeholder Group (CSG) concerns about the ethics of my decision to join the NCUC and about the propriety of my continuing to vote as an NCA, I abstain from all votes in the council until such time as the Board Structural Improvements Committee decides on the disposition of the CSG letter of concern. Motion 2 ========= Fast Flux Hosting motion. Absentee voting on the Fast Flux Hosting motion closes on Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 23:15 UTC. The motion and complete results will then be published on the Council list. Other Decisions: ================== 1) Council confirmed Michele Neylon's appointment as the Chair of the Inter-Registrar Transfer Policies Part B Working Group (IRTP Part B WG) 2) Council confirmed the following GNSO co-chair and volunteers for the Joint ccNSO-GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG) Edmon Chung - gTLD Registries (co-chair) Terry Davis - Nominating Committee Appointee Stéphane van Gelder - Registrar Avri Doria - GNSO Council chair (Observer ex-officio) Chuck Gomes - GNSO Council vice-chair (Observer ex-officio) 3) The Motion requesting an Issues Report on Vertical Integration and Registry/Registrar cross-ownership submitted by Mary Wong was tabled until the next meeting. 4) The travel funding motion was withdrawn; any GNSO participants not covered by the travel policy should work through their constituency or stakeholder group to request funding as directed by Kevin Wilson. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. Kind regards, Glen Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org

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GNSO Council Mtg Update - Council Transition Implementation Efforts For Seoul
by Robert Hoggarth Sept. 4, 2009

Sept. 4, 2009

Dear GNSO Council Members and GNSO Community Leaders, Due to the timing of yesterday's GNSO Council meeting (very late for some and very early for others) and the need for a number of Councilors to leave the call early, I thought it would be helpful to review a number of the significant items discussed at the meeting that are related to the effort to transition to the new GNSO Council by the end of the Seoul ICANN meeting next month. 1. With the Bylaw amendments now approved by the Board (see - http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/prelim-report-27aug09.htm) the Stakeholder Group structures approved by the Board are now in effect. Thus, if they have not yet started, members of the four new Stakeholder Groups should be moving toward selecting their Council representatives and existing Constituencies should, at minimum, be working to conform their charter documents to the new GNSO Framework as provided for in the Bylaws. The final versions of the Stakeholder Group Charters are linked to the Board's 30 July meeting report (see - http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/prelim-report-30jul09.htm) The target date for providing names of selected Council representatives to the GNSO Secretariat is 30 September. Staff is available to discuss any questions that GNSO members have about the documents. 2. The Council discussed a revised GNSO Council Transition Implementation Plan (the latest draft version of the plan is attached to this message) at the meeting and agreed that a final plan would be voted on at the next Council meeting (24 September). The current plan version is designed to offer the Stakeholder Groups as much flexibility as possible in the process for selecting their representatives. Olga Cavalli has volunteered to take the lead on developing further revisions to the latest version of the draft plan document with direct support from Avri Doria and Chuck Gomes. All Councilors are encouraged to participate in the discussion on the Council list. 3. The Council also learned yesterday that the Nominating Committee would likely not be able to make assignments of the three Nominating Committee Appointees to their separate slots on the Council. Council members discussed a number of alternative assignment approaches during the Council meeting and a final process will be determined and added to the Transition Implementation Plan after further discussion on the Council's email list. As part of the overall plan, a decision must also be made on the NCA assignment mechanism at the 24 September Council meeting. In addition to the attachment, a copy of the current draft plan discussed by the Council can be found on the GNSO's Draft and Working Documents Web Page (see - http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/) All GNSO Councilors and community leaders are encouraged to forward the draft plan to the groups they represent and, in turn, encourage them to provide timely input/feedback for the Council discussions. Best regards, Rob Hoggarth Senior Policy Director 424.558.4805

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ACO meeting comments
by Avri Doria Sept. 4, 2009

Sept. 4, 2009

Hi, When I reported to the ACSO Chairs group as I said I would I was reminded that I should have pointed out that there is an open comment period ongoing at the moment on issues such as whether the ACSO meetings are worth having. https://jive.dev.icann.org/community/acso I was encouraged t encourage you all to join in the commenting. thanks a.

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Absentee Ballot on Fast Flux Hosting motion
by Cyril Chua Sept. 4, 2009

Sept. 4, 2009

* On the Fast Flux Hosting motion I vote: * [X] Yes * [ ] No * [ ] Abstain * Password: white-5

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