Debbie
I would hope that we can separate "non-profit service orgs" from
"dis-advantaged". I believe they represent two entirely different needs and thus
unfortunately probably two different application processes.
That said, this was my first concern! How do we catagorize "dis-advantaged"
orgs. If we can figure this out such that the "non-profit purely international
service orgs" are not lumped into "dis-advantaged" I think that is the correct
way forward.
Take care
Terry
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>of a processes related to non-profit gTLDs is not âurgent.â Â I
>certainly understand the concern shared by many related to ICANN staff and
Councilors
>limited  resources and timing; however, I think we do ICANN a disservice by
>discrediting the importance non-commercial use new gTLDs and minimizing the
>voice of certain stakeholders based on the lack of commercialization of new
>gTLDs. Â I would hope many may come to understand that there are âurgentâ
>and important non-commercial uses for new gTLDs. For example, humanitarian,
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>From:
>owner-council(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of
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>Cc: Terry L Davis, P.E.; Stéphane
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>Subject: Re: [council] FW:
>Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach
>to providing support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and
>operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
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>Does this need to be in place for the first round? I would find it hard
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>viable gTLD for profit. So if this would apply mainly to non-profit community
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>From: "Gomes,
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>To: Rafik
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>Cc: Terry L Davis,
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>Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder(a)indom.com>; Bruce
>Tonkin<Bruce.Tonkin(a)melbourneit.com.au>; GNSO
>Council<council(a)gnso.icann.org>; Margie Milam<Margie.Milam(a)icann.org>
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>Subject: RE: [council]
>FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable
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>for and operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20
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>From: Rafik
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>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:57
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>To: Gomes, Chuck
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>Cc: Terry L Davis, P.E.;
>owner-council(a)gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder; Bruce Tonkin; GNSO Council
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>Subject: Re: [council] FW:
>Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach
>to providing support to applicants requiring assistance in applying for and
>operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
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>From: Rafik Dammak
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>To: Gomes, Chuck
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>Subject: Re: [council] FW:
>Proposal to form a Joint ALAC - GNSO WG "to develop a sustainable approach
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>operating new gTLDs" in response to the ICANN Board Resolution 20 at the
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>@Alan yes the feeling is that ICANN is not listening to people from
>developing countries and get more worse when ICANN "would like" ccTLD
>from African region to participate with 3% (Idea suggested by Rod) or also to
>hear the "technical support" which will be provided by the proposed
>DNS-CERT (it is really offending and just overlapping with tasks done by
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>2010/3/21 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes(a)verisign.com>
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>I don't think anyone believes that the costs to run every registry is
>the same. Â Some have higher security needs than others. Â Some need a
>more global infrastructure than others. Â Some have lower costs in their
>region and in other places in the world. Â All have different business
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>processes that may ensue, are essentially the same for all applicants except in
>cases where the same applicant applies for multiple TLDs. Â The way Staff
>has decided to impose application fees as of now, they have already built in
>subsidization of fees for single TLD applicants by those applying for multiple
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>> Subject: Re: [council] FW: Proposal to form a Joint ALAC -
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: "Terry L Davis, P.E." <tdavis2(a)speakeasy.net>
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>> To: 'St phane Van Gelder'<stephane.vangelder(a)indom.com>;
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>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:57 AM
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