January 2015 - Ccnso-council

Re: [Cctldworld] [ccTLDcommunity] Fwd: Accountability measures required by CWG Proposal(s)
by Chris Disspain Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

I’m beginning to think that I may have a blind spot here. Help me to figure this out. > Just for clarification, the CWG group is _very_ gTLD Registry focused... and Chuck is very gTLD Registry orientated. Agreed. So the remarks by Chuck re ccTLDs are surprising. > The gTLDs want the CWG Accountability Group to have a role in determining an Appeals process, whereas it was recognised that ICANN's role with respect to (the majority of) ccTLD reassignment was non-existent. How does that sit with Chuck’s suggest that the CCWG... >>>> provide an accountability process that registry operators (c's & g's) and possibly governments in the case of >>>> ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation >>>> decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local >>>> law. Unless I’m misreading this then it is saying that coming up with such a process is the job of the CCWG. > The goal of the CWG should be to create a light weight structure of service delivery - as discussed (and agreed) in Frankfurt. Agreed that this is the CWG’s role. Chuck’s point was about the expectations of the CCWG on Accountability. Cheers, Chris On 16 Jan 2015, at 22:43 , Paul M Kane <Paul.Kane(a)icb.co.uk> wrote: > Chris > > Just for clarification, the CWG group is _very_ gTLD Registry focused... and Chuck is very gTLD Registry orientated. > > During yesterday's call it was recognised that (the majority of) ccTLDs Registries have a very different relationship with ICANN than that of gTLDs Registries. > > The gTLDs want the CWG Accountability Group to have a role in determining an Appeals process, whereas it was recognised that ICANN's role with respect to (the majority of) ccTLD reassignment was non-existent. > > The goal of the CWG should be to create a light weight structure of service delivery - as discussed (and agreed) in Frankfurt. > Over the holiday period the process has been captured and the simple (accountable) structure has become seriously over-complicated. Overburdening the structure is a game currently being played by some to sink the initiative, or capture it, and time is needed to redress the balance and loose the excess baggage. > > IMHO it is out of scope for the IANA Accountability process to have a sanction to remove an ICANN Director - but this also needs more time to play out. > > Best > > Paul > > > Chris Disspain wrote: >> Understood Roelof. >> >> My point is that Chuck and others seem to think that it is the CCWG’s job to come up with something cc-specific re delegation and re-delegation ‘disputes’ rather than higher level accountability mechanisms. If we as a community are happy with that then so be it. If we are not then we need to tell them. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 16 Jan 2015, at 21:01 , Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer(a)sidn.nl <mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl>> wrote: >> >>> Chris, All, >>> >>> I would hope that the CCWG comes up with mechanisms that enhance ICANN¹s >>> accountability on a higher level than (just) delegation, revocation etc. >>> I am comfortable waiting for (and as I am a member, contributing to) the >>> deliverables of the CCWG, in the expectation that, once accountability is >>> enhanced and stewardship transitioned, the outcome of the FoIWG can be >>> inputted, with satisfactory results for us ccTLDs. >>> >>> Yes, I am an optimist, life is great >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 16-01-15 07:53, "Stephen Deerhake" <SDeerhake(a)nic.as <mailto:SDeerhake@nic.as>> wrote: >>> >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> Speaking for .as, I can say that the idea that "the CCWG [be tasked] with >>>> drafting/creating an accountability process re delegation and >>>> re-delegation" >>>> is a complete non-starter. >>>> >>>> How can this be even be a serious consideration of the CCWG? >>>> >>>> I believe this issue has been addressed by the work of the FoI-WG, and I >>>> don't see the need to re-invent the wheel here. Perhaps the larger >>>> problem >>>> is getting ICANN to acknowledge and endorse the work/findings of the >>>> FoI-WG... I've seen scant evidence of this to date. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> /Stephen >>>> >>>> Stephen Deerhake >>>> Director of Registry Services >>>> AS Domain Registry >>>> GDNS LLC >>>> +1 212 334 3660 >>>> +1 212 656 1982 (fax) >>>> sdeerhake(a)nic.as <mailto:sdeerhake@nic.as> >>>> sdeerhake(a)gdns.net >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: cctldcommunity-bounces(a)cctld-managers.org >>>> [mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Chris >>>> Disspain >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:58 PM >>>> To: ccTLD Community List; ccNSO Council; ccNSO Members; >>>> cctldworld(a)icann.org >>>> Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Fwd: Accountability measures required by CWG >>>> Proposal(s) >>>> Importance: High >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>>> We need the Accountability CCWG to provide an accountability process >>>>> that >>>> registry operators (c's & g's) and possibly governments in the case of >>>> ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation >>>> decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local >>>> law. >>>> >>>> >>>> I know I keep pressing on this but I want to make sure we all understand >>>> before I stop and let it go. >>>> >>>> Are we, the ccTLDs comfortable with the CCWG drafting/creating an >>>> accountability process re delegation and re-delegation? >>>> >>>> Is this something we should be doing ourselves pursuant to the >>>> interpretations of the FoI WG? >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer .au Domain Administration Ltd >>>> T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 >>>> E: ceo(a)auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au auDA - Australia's Domain Name >>>> Administrator >>>> >>>> Important Notice - This email may contain information which is >>>> confidential >>>> and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the >>>> named >>>> addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, >>>> disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email >>>> by >>>> mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. >>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes(a)verisign.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Accountability measures required by CWG >>>> Proposal(s) >>>>> Date: 16 January 2015 01:55:07 AEDT >>>>> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>, CWG IANA >>>>> <cwg-stewardship(a)icann.org> >>>>> >>>>> Alan, >>>>> >>>>> First let me put in writing the what I said in the last weekend call: >>>>> We >>>> need the Accountability CCWG to provide an accountability process that >>>> registry operators (c's & g's) and possibly governments in the case of >>>> ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation >>>> decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local >>>> law. >>>> This may be covered by your item 4 (gTLD Delegation or Redelegation Appeal >>>> within ICANN prior to the change request going to IANA) although I am not >>>> sure that appeals would always have to happen before going to IANA; that >>>> would be preferred though. >>>>> >>>>> Alan - why do you think that this would conflict with item 2 >>>>> (Independent >>>> certification for delegation and re-delegation requests)? In the case of >>>> gTLDs, the decision whether or not a gTLD could be delegated or >>>> re-delegated >>>> would happen before any certification would occur. The certification >>>> would >>>> simply confirm that required steps were followed properly. For gTLDs I >>>> think that any appeal would preferably happen before any certification >>>> happened but I suppose it could happen afterwards; those details would >>>> need >>>> to be defined. I won't try to venture into the ccTLD world. >>>>> >>>>> On a totally different topic with regard to item 2, I don't think that >>>>> is >>>> something that we need the Accountability CCWG to deal with that. In my >>>> view, that seems to be clearly in our court. Any accountability for a >>>> certification decision would probably be covered by general accountability >>>> processes. >>>>> >>>>> Why is item 6 (Ability to Remove Directors) an action that the CWG needs >>>> from the CCWG. I agree that we need some specific accountability >>>> mechanisms >>>> from the CCWG but we don't specifically need the one that would allow for >>>> the removal of Directors. That option may provide some of the >>>> accountability that the CWG needs but we require that specific option. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces(a)icann.org >>>>> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icannorg] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:12 AM >>>>> To: CWG IANA >>>>> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Accountability measures required by CWG >>>>> Proposal(s) >>>>> >>>>> I believe that this is the minimalist list of accountability measures or >>>> accountability-related processes that would be required based on the two >>>> proposals currently under consideration. >>>>> >>>>> I have explicitly not included the wider list of measures that the CCWG >>>>> is >>>> considering for possible inclusion in its WS1, specifically those which >>>> the >>>> community would like to see and for which the IANA transition might >>>> provide >>>> additional impetus for the Board to approve, but are not absolutely >>>> required >>>> to ensure that the IANA transition can occur. I recognize that this is a >>>> judgement call that not all might agree with. >>>>> >>>>> During the last of the four weekend meetings, Chuck mentioned one >>>> additional issue, and referred to a chat exchange between him and Donna >>>> during the third meeting that listed several other potential >>>> accountability >>>> issues. Unfortunately, that chat transcript was not preserved due to an >>>> error in saving it. >>>>> >>>>> The list of measures for the Contract Co. model is based on the list >>>>> that >>>> the Co-Chairs created in December, augmented by Chucks suggestion. I do >>>> not >>>> believe that the December list has been negated by any work done in the >>>> interim, but perhaps I have missed something. I could not find a rationale >>>> for the inclusion of the first of the three items, but include it here so >>>> that the CWG could decide if it is based on a real need associated with >>>> the >>>> proposal or not. If included, I would suggest the CWG be more specific as >>>> to >>>> under what conditions it would apply. Chuck's suggestion seems to conflict >>>> with the 2nd measure in that the 2nd measure is specified as being >>>> binding. >>>> I am also not sure if it could possibly be replaced by the more >>>> generalized >>>> IAP (once the request goes to IANA). >>>>> >>>>> The requirements for the internal-to-ICANN model are based on my >>>> discussions with a number of people over the last weeks. >>>>> >>>>> Contract Co. Model Requirements >>>>> >>>>> 1. Independent Review of Board Actions >>>>> >>>>> Change the ICANN Bylaws to specify that under certain circumstances (to >>>>> be >>>> defined) the determinations of an Independent Review of Board Actions >>>> Panel >>>> would be binding and not implemented at the Board's discretions. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Independent certification for delegation and re-delegation requests >>>>> >>>>> This would be a replacement for the authorization function for all >>>>> changes >>>> to the Root Zone or its WHOIS Database currently performed by the NTIA. >>>> The >>>> replacement mechanism would have gTLD requests for delegations and >>>> re-delegations authorized by an independent third party and its decision >>>> on >>>> these matters would be binding on ICANN/IANA. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Independent Appeals Panel >>>>> >>>>> An independent review panel must be set up to deal with contested >>>>> changes >>>> to the Root Zone or its WHOIS Database. Although discussions are still >>>> ongoing as to the specifics of such a proposal, it is generally agreed >>>> that >>>> the decisions of such a panel would be binding. There may also be a need >>>> for >>>> an injunction-like mechanism to defer the change in question during the >>>> appeal process. >>>>> >>>>> 4. gTLD Delegation or Redelegation Appeal within ICANN prior to the >>>>> change request going to IANA >>>>> >>>>> A Registry could appeal an ICANN decision to delegate or redelegate and >>>> gTLD, based on policy not being followed (or presumably contractual terms >>>> not being followed). >>>>> >>>>> Internal-To-ICANN Model Requirements >>>>> >>>>> This model will require all of the above measures plus the following: >>>>> >>>>> 5. Control over ICANN Board decisions. >>>>> >>>>> The ability for ICANN Stakeholders, potentially augmented by other >>>> non-ICANN entities, to mandate or overrule, a particular Board decision, >>>> or >>>> to require that the implementation of such a decision be subject to >>>> consideration of an independent, binding review. These measures might need >>>> to be augmented by advance notice of such decisions and allow the MS >>>> community to react. In the most restricted form, this ability might be >>>> restricted to decisions related to IANA, but in reality, it may not be >>>> practical to define this scope limitation (ie how to recognize an >>>> IANA-related decision). >>>>> >>>>> 6. Ability to Remove Directors >>>>> >>>>> The ability of the overall multi-stakeholder community to remove some or >>>> all of the Board Directors. In the case of a full Board removal, a >>>> mechanism >>>> would be required for appointing an Interim Board and then a replacement >>>> regular Board. In addition, ACs and SOs could be given the right to recall >>>> their appointed Director(s). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CWG-Stewardship mailing list >>>>> CWG-Stewardship(a)icann.org >>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ccTLDcommunity mailing list >>>> ccTLDcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org >>>> http://www.lists.cctld-managers.org/mailman/listinfo/cctldcommunity >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe please send a blank email to >>>> ccTLDcommunity-unsubscribe(a)lists.cctld-managers.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ccTLDcommunity mailing list >>>> ccTLDcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org >>>> http://www.lists.cctld-managers.org/mailman/listinfo/cctldcommunity >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe please send a blank email to >>>> ccTLDcommunity-unsubscribe(a)lists.cctld-managers.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cctldworld mailing list >> Cctldworld(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cctldworld >>

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Re: [ccTLDcommunity] Fwd: Accountability measures required by CWG Proposal(s)
by Chris Disspain Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

Understood Roelof. My point is that Chuck and others seem to think that it is the CCWG’s job to come up with something cc-specific re delegation and re-delegation ‘disputes’ rather than higher level accountability mechanisms. If we as a community are happy with that then so be it. If we are not then we need to tell them. Cheers, Chris On 16 Jan 2015, at 21:01 , Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer(a)sidn.nl> wrote: > Chris, All, > > I would hope that the CCWG comes up with mechanisms that enhance ICANN¹s > accountability on a higher level than (just) delegation, revocation etc. > I am comfortable waiting for (and as I am a member, contributing to) the > deliverables of the CCWG, in the expectation that, once accountability is > enhanced and stewardship transitioned, the outcome of the FoIWG can be > inputted, with satisfactory results for us ccTLDs. > > Yes, I am an optimist, life is great > > Cheers, > > Roelof > > > > > On 16-01-15 07:53, "Stephen Deerhake" <SDeerhake(a)nic.as> wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Speaking for .as, I can say that the idea that "the CCWG [be tasked] with >> drafting/creating an accountability process re delegation and >> re-delegation" >> is a complete non-starter. >> >> How can this be even be a serious consideration of the CCWG? >> >> I believe this issue has been addressed by the work of the FoI-WG, and I >> don't see the need to re-invent the wheel here. Perhaps the larger >> problem >> is getting ICANN to acknowledge and endorse the work/findings of the >> FoI-WG... I've seen scant evidence of this to date. >> >> Best, >> >> /Stephen >> >> Stephen Deerhake >> Director of Registry Services >> AS Domain Registry >> GDNS LLC >> +1 212 334 3660 >> +1 212 656 1982 (fax) >> sdeerhake(a)nic.as >> sdeerhake(a)gdns.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cctldcommunity-bounces(a)cctld-managers.org >> [mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Chris >> Disspain >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:58 PM >> To: ccTLD Community List; ccNSO Council; ccNSO Members; >> cctldworld(a)icann.org >> Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Fwd: Accountability measures required by CWG >> Proposal(s) >> Importance: High >> >> All, >> >>> We need the Accountability CCWG to provide an accountability process >>> that >> registry operators (c's & g's) and possibly governments in the case of >> ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation >> decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local >> law. >> >> >> I know I keep pressing on this but I want to make sure we all understand >> before I stop and let it go. >> >> Are we, the ccTLDs comfortable with the CCWG drafting/creating an >> accountability process re delegation and re-delegation? >> >> Is this something we should be doing ourselves pursuant to the >> interpretations of the FoI WG? >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer .au Domain Administration Ltd >> T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 >> E: ceo(a)auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au auDA - Australia's Domain Name >> Administrator >> >> Important Notice - This email may contain information which is >> confidential >> and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the >> named >> addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, >> disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email >> by >> mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes(a)verisign.com> >>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Accountability measures required by CWG >> Proposal(s) >>> Date: 16 January 2015 01:55:07 AEDT >>> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>, CWG IANA >>> <cwg-stewardship(a)icann.org> >>> >>> Alan, >>> >>> First let me put in writing the what I said in the last weekend call: >>> We >> need the Accountability CCWG to provide an accountability process that >> registry operators (c's & g's) and possibly governments in the case of >> ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation >> decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local >> law. >> This may be covered by your item 4 (gTLD Delegation or Redelegation Appeal >> within ICANN prior to the change request going to IANA) although I am not >> sure that appeals would always have to happen before going to IANA; that >> would be preferred though. >>> >>> Alan - why do you think that this would conflict with item 2 >>> (Independent >> certification for delegation and re-delegation requests)? In the case of >> gTLDs, the decision whether or not a gTLD could be delegated or >> re-delegated >> would happen before any certification would occur. The certification >> would >> simply confirm that required steps were followed properly. For gTLDs I >> think that any appeal would preferably happen before any certification >> happened but I suppose it could happen afterwards; those details would >> need >> to be defined. I won't try to venture into the ccTLD world. >>> >>> On a totally different topic with regard to item 2, I don't think that >>> is >> something that we need the Accountability CCWG to deal with that. In my >> view, that seems to be clearly in our court. Any accountability for a >> certification decision would probably be covered by general accountability >> processes. >>> >>> Why is item 6 (Ability to Remove Directors) an action that the CWG needs >> from the CCWG. I agree that we need some specific accountability >> mechanisms >> from the CCWG but we don't specifically need the one that would allow for >> the removal of Directors. That option may provide some of the >> accountability that the CWG needs but we require that specific option. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces(a)icann.org >>> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:12 AM >>> To: CWG IANA >>> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Accountability measures required by CWG >>> Proposal(s) >>> >>> I believe that this is the minimalist list of accountability measures or >> accountability-related processes that would be required based on the two >> proposals currently under consideration. >>> >>> I have explicitly not included the wider list of measures that the CCWG >>> is >> considering for possible inclusion in its WS1, specifically those which >> the >> community would like to see and for which the IANA transition might >> provide >> additional impetus for the Board to approve, but are not absolutely >> required >> to ensure that the IANA transition can occur. I recognize that this is a >> judgement call that not all might agree with. >>> >>> During the last of the four weekend meetings, Chuck mentioned one >> additional issue, and referred to a chat exchange between him and Donna >> during the third meeting that listed several other potential >> accountability >> issues. Unfortunately, that chat transcript was not preserved due to an >> error in saving it. >>> >>> The list of measures for the Contract Co. model is based on the list >>> that >> the Co-Chairs created in December, augmented by Chucks suggestion. I do >> not >> believe that the December list has been negated by any work done in the >> interim, but perhaps I have missed something. I could not find a rationale >> for the inclusion of the first of the three items, but include it here so >> that the CWG could decide if it is based on a real need associated with >> the >> proposal or not. If included, I would suggest the CWG be more specific as >> to >> under what conditions it would apply. Chuck's suggestion seems to conflict >> with the 2nd measure in that the 2nd measure is specified as being >> binding. >> I am also not sure if it could possibly be replaced by the more >> generalized >> IAP (once the request goes to IANA). >>> >>> The requirements for the internal-to-ICANN model are based on my >> discussions with a number of people over the last weeks. >>> >>> Contract Co. Model Requirements >>> >>> 1. Independent Review of Board Actions >>> >>> Change the ICANN Bylaws to specify that under certain circumstances (to >>> be >> defined) the determinations of an Independent Review of Board Actions >> Panel >> would be binding and not implemented at the Board's discretions. >>> >>> 2. Independent certification for delegation and re-delegation requests >>> >>> This would be a replacement for the authorization function for all >>> changes >> to the Root Zone or its WHOIS Database currently performed by the NTIA. >> The >> replacement mechanism would have gTLD requests for delegations and >> re-delegations authorized by an independent third party and its decision >> on >> these matters would be binding on ICANN/IANA. >>> >>> 3. Independent Appeals Panel >>> >>> An independent review panel must be set up to deal with contested >>> changes >> to the Root Zone or its WHOIS Database. Although discussions are still >> ongoing as to the specifics of such a proposal, it is generally agreed >> that >> the decisions of such a panel would be binding. There may also be a need >> for >> an injunction-like mechanism to defer the change in question during the >> appeal process. >>> >>> 4. gTLD Delegation or Redelegation Appeal within ICANN prior to the >>> change request going to IANA >>> >>> A Registry could appeal an ICANN decision to delegate or redelegate and >> gTLD, based on policy not being followed (or presumably contractual terms >> not being followed). >>> >>> Internal-To-ICANN Model Requirements >>> >>> This model will require all of the above measures plus the following: >>> >>> 5. Control over ICANN Board decisions. >>> >>> The ability for ICANN Stakeholders, potentially augmented by other >> non-ICANN entities, to mandate or overrule, a particular Board decision, >> or >> to require that the implementation of such a decision be subject to >> consideration of an independent, binding review. These measures might need >> to be augmented by advance notice of such decisions and allow the MS >> community to react. In the most restricted form, this ability might be >> restricted to decisions related to IANA, but in reality, it may not be >> practical to define this scope limitation (ie how to recognize an >> IANA-related decision). >>> >>> 6. Ability to Remove Directors >>> >>> The ability of the overall multi-stakeholder community to remove some or >> all of the Board Directors. In the case of a full Board removal, a >> mechanism >> would be required for appointing an Interim Board and then a replacement >> regular Board. In addition, ACs and SOs could be given the right to recall >> their appointed Director(s). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CWG-Stewardship mailing list >>> CWG-Stewardship(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ccTLDcommunity mailing list >> ccTLDcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org >> http://www.lists.cctld-managers.org/mailman/listinfo/cctldcommunity >> >> To unsubscribe please send a blank email to >> ccTLDcommunity-unsubscribe(a)lists.cctld-managers.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ccTLDcommunity mailing list >> ccTLDcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org >> http://www.lists.cctld-managers.org/mailman/listinfo/cctldcommunity >> >> To unsubscribe please send a blank email to >> ccTLDcommunity-unsubscribe(a)lists.cctld-managers.org >

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Fwd: Accountability measures required by CWG Proposal(s)
by Chris Disspain Jan. 15, 2015

Jan. 15, 2015

All, > We need the Accountability CCWG to provide an accountability process that registry operators (c’s & g’s) and possibly governments in the case of ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local law. I know I keep pressing on this but I want to make sure we all understand before I stop and let it go. Are we, the ccTLDs comfortable with the CCWG drafting/creating an accountability process re delegation and re-delegation? Is this something we should be doing ourselves pursuant to the interpretations of the FoI WG? Cheers, Chris Cheers, Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer .au Domain Administration Ltd T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 E: ceo(a)auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au auDA – Australia’s Domain Name Administrator Important Notice - This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. Please consider the environment before printing this email. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes(a)verisign.com> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Accountability measures required by CWG Proposal(s) > Date: 16 January 2015 01:55:07 AEDT > To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca>, CWG IANA <cwg-stewardship(a)icann.org> > > Alan, > > First let me put in writing the what I said in the last weekend call: We need the Accountability CCWG to provide an accountability process that registry operators (c’s & g’s) and possibly governments in the case of ccTLDs can use in cases where they think delegation and re-delegation decisions are not in line with approved policy or for governments local law. This may be covered by your item 4 (gTLD Delegation or Redelegation Appeal within ICANN prior to the change request going to IANA) although I am not sure that appeals would always have to happen before going to IANA; that would be preferred though. > > Alan – why do you think that this would conflict with item 2 (Independent certification for delegation and re-delegation requests)? In the case of gTLDs, the decision whether or not a gTLD could be delegated or re-delegated would happen before any certification would occur. The certification would simply confirm that required steps were followed properly. For gTLDs I think that any appeal would preferably happen before any certification happened but I suppose it could happen afterwards; those details would need to be defined. I won’t try to venture into the ccTLD world. > > On a totally different topic with regard to item 2, I don’t think that is something that we need the Accountability CCWG to deal with that. In my view, that seems to be clearly in our court. Any accountability for a certification decision would probably be covered by general accountability processes. > > Why is item 6 (Ability to Remove Directors) an action that the CWG needs from the CCWG. I agree that we need some specific accountability mechanisms from the CCWG but we don’t specifically need the one that would allow for the removal of Directors. That option may provide some of the accountability that the CWG needs but we require that specific option. > > Chuck > > From: cwg-stewardship-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:12 AM > To: CWG IANA > Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Accountability measures required by CWG Proposal(s) > > I believe that this is the minimalist list of accountability measures or accountability-related processes that would be required based on the two proposals currently under consideration. > > I have explicitly not included the wider list of measures that the CCWG is considering for possible inclusion in its WS1, specifically those which the community would like to see and for which the IANA transition might provide additional impetus for the Board to approve, but are not absolutely required to ensure that the IANA transition can occur. I recognize that this is a judgement call that not all might agree with. > > During the last of the four weekend meetings, Chuck mentioned one additional issue, and referred to a chat exchange between him and Donna during the third meeting that listed several other potential accountability issues. Unfortunately, that chat transcript was not preserved due to an error in saving it. > > The list of measures for the Contract Co. model is based on the list that the Co-Chairs created in December, augmented by Chucks suggestion. I do not believe that the December list has been negated by any work done in the interim, but perhaps I have missed something. I could not find a rationale for the inclusion of the first of the three items, but include it here so that the CWG could decide if it is based on a real need associated with the proposal or not. If included, I would suggest the CWG be more specific as to under what conditions it would apply. Chuck's suggestion seems to conflict with the 2nd measure in that the 2nd measure is specified as being binding. I am also not sure if it could possibly be replaced by the more generalized IAP (once the request goes to IANA). > > The requirements for the internal-to-ICANN model are based on my discussions with a number of people over the last weeks. > > Contract Co. Model Requirements > > 1. Independent Review of Board Actions > > Change the ICANN Bylaws to specify that under certain circumstances (to be defined) the determinations of an Independent Review of Board Actions Panel would be binding and not implemented at the Board's discretions. > > 2. Independent certification for delegation and re-delegation requests > > This would be a replacement for the authorization function for all changes to the Root Zone or its WHOIS Database currently performed by the NTIA. The replacement mechanism would have gTLD requests for delegations and re-delegations authorized by an independent third party and its decision on these matters would be binding on ICANN/IANA. > > 3. Independent Appeals Panel > > An independent review panel must be set up to deal with contested changes to the Root Zone or its WHOIS Database. Although discussions are still ongoing as to the specifics of such a proposal, it is generally agreed that the decisions of such a panel would be binding. There may also be a need for an injunction-like mechanism to defer the change in question during the appeal process. > > 4. gTLD Delegation or Redelegation Appeal within ICANN prior to the change request going to IANA > > A Registry could appeal an ICANN decision to delegate or redelegate and gTLD, based on policy not being followed (or presumably contractual terms not being followed). > > Internal-To-ICANN Model Requirements > > This model will require all of the above measures plus the following: > > 5. Control over ICANN Board decisions. > > The ability for ICANN Stakeholders, potentially augmented by other non-ICANN entities, to mandate or overrule, a particular Board decision, or to require that the implementation of such a decision be subject to consideration of an independent, binding review. These measures might need to be augmented by advance notice of such decisions and allow the MS community to react. In the most restricted form, this ability might be restricted to decisions related to IANA, but in reality, it may not be practical to define this scope limitation (ie how to recognize an IANA-related decision). > > 6. Ability to Remove Directors > > The ability of the overall multi-stakeholder community to remove some or all of the Board Directors. In the case of a full Board removal, a mechanism would be required for appointing an Interim Board and then a replacement regular Board. In addition, ACs and SOs could be given the right to recall their appointed Director(s). > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CWG-Stewardship mailing list > CWG-Stewardship(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship

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Agenda meeting 22 January 2015, noon UTC
by Bart Boswinkel Jan. 15, 2015

Jan. 15, 2015

Dear all, Please find included the draft agenda for the upcoming ccNSO Council call, Thursday 22 January 2015, noon UTC. The material will be send to you in the closer to the meeting as well as a reminder of the dial in information. Kind regards, Bart

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Reminder: Call for volunteers ccNSO Guideline Review Committee
by Gabriella Schittek Jan. 15, 2015

Jan. 15, 2015

Dear all, This is just a reminder that we are looking for volunteers to our ccNSO Guideline Review Committee (GRC). Please, see below for more information. Should you be interested in joining, please, let me know by Friday, 16 January. Kind regards, Gabi From: Gabriella Schittek <gabriella.schittek(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday 7 January 2015 14:46 To: "ccnso-members(a)icann.org" <ccnso-members(a)icann.org> Cc: "ccnso-council(a)icann.org" <ccnso-council(a)icann.org> Subject: [ccnso-council] Call for volunteers ccNSO Guideline Review Committee > Dear all, > > The ccNSO Council has decided to set up a ccNSO Guideline Review Committee > (³GRC²), which will be tasked to review the current set of ccNSO rules and > guidelines, which were adopted around 2008. Since then, the scale of the ccNSO > has changed (increased membership, different topics) and the working methods > have evolved. This review is independent of the review of the ccNSO itself > (anticipated to start in February - March 2016). > > We are now looking for volunteers to this Committee. > > The committee¹s task will be to look into all current ccNSO rules and > guidelines, to establish whether they reflect current practices and working > methods that the ccNSO is using and whether there are any gaps that need to be > filled. The GRC is also expected to propose changes to the current rules and > guidelines to the Council. > > The Committee will NOT look into the guidelines for voluntary contributions of > ccTLDs to ICANN, nor the Accountability Framework Guidelines. > > For more detailed information, see the GRC Charter at > http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/draft-charter-grc-11dec14-en.pdf > > Should you be interested in joining this committee, please, let me know by > Friday, 16 January. > > Kind regards, > > Gabi >

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Policy Department Webinar
by Gabriella Schittek Jan. 14, 2015

Jan. 14, 2015

Dear all, The ICANN Policy Development Support Team will provide a Policy Update Webinar on Thursday 29 January 2015 at 10:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC, summarising policy activities across the ICANN policy development community and the ongoing Transition of Stewardship of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Functions and the ICANN Accountability efforts. Updates will also be provided on topics from ICANN's Support Organisations and Advisory Committees: For more information, see: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-14-en Kind regards, Gabi

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ICANN Quarterly Stakeholder Call
by Gabriella Schittek Jan. 14, 2015

Jan. 14, 2015

Dear all, A call for all ICANN Stakeholders will take place on 29 January 2015 at 14.00 UTC where ICANN aims to inform on its progress against its strategic and operating plans for the quarter ending 31 December 2014: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-13-en Kind regards, Gabi

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ICG selects contractor for secretariat function
by Gabriella Schittek Jan. 13, 2015

Jan. 13, 2015

Dear all, The IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) has concluded the process of selecting a suitable contractor to perform its secretariat function. The Internet Society Singapore Chapter (ISOC SG) has now been selected as the contractor: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-01-12-en Kind regards, Gabi

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Upcoming ICG conference calls
by Gabriella Schittek Jan. 13, 2015

Jan. 13, 2015

Dear all, The IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) has scheduled its tenth, eleventh and twelfth conference calls: * ICG Call # 10 (draft agenda https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-agenda-icg-14jan15-en.pdf) Wednesday, 14 January at 20:00-21:00 UTC * ICG Call # 11 Wednesday, 21 January at 03:00-04:00 UTC * ICG Call # 12 Wednesday, 28 January at 13:00-14:00 UTC For more information, see: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-01-12-en Kind regards, Gabi

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Minutes 11 December 2014
by Kristina Nordstrom Jan. 12, 2015

Jan. 12, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached the minutes from 11 December 2014 and let me know before Monday 19 January if you would like to make any amendments. Kind regards, Kristina

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