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Re: Examen Final - Miembro de la elecci�n de ALAC (Parte 2)
by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Examen Final - Miembro de la elección de ALAC (Parte 2) De: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com Querido Lance, Lo siento ", el resultado sería inelegible." - Saludos cordiales José. - 2012/8/15 Lanza Hinds <brainstreetceo(a)gmail.com> > Thank you Jose, > > I know sometimes things get lost in the translation so just to be clear; Is > it the opinion of the President of LACRALO that candidate is ineligible or > as President of LACRALO you are ruling that the candidate is ineligible and > therefore cannot participate in the elections to be our ALAC > representative? > > Best regards > > Lance > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) > > From: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > > > > It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the > > legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated > > time. > > > > > > The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the > > residence) and defines residence as one of the components > > the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of > > remain there (in residence). > > > > > > * The home is the residence, accompanied, real or > > presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and > > civil. * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 > > 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See > > Pgina 231: > > > > stating: > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. * > > > > > > * A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the > > first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada > > the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a > > jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In > > however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the > absence > > of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning > of > > word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of > > seat in a particular location. * > > > > > > * In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has > > pronounced setting: * > > > > > > * B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and > > habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the > > where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah * > > > > > > The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the > > United Kingdom > > (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and > > distinguishing > > between home and residence. > > > > > > On the residence provides: > > > > > > UK residence * 2.2 * > > > > > > * There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are > > resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next > paragraph), > > it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically > > present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important > > consideration. * > > > > > > * The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically > > present > > in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here > > for 183 > > days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in > a > > tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. * > > > > > > * You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER > > than > > 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you > are > > here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to > the > > UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your > > your work life and social connections. * > > > > > > * Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * > > > > > > * 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? * > > > > > > * Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word > > Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not > casual. > > It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see > part > > 4). * > > > > > > * If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are > > here. > > When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK > > Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It > is > > enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. * > > > > > > * Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might > > be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be > > Properly > > Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide > > purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. * > > > > > > * Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and > > usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary > > Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for > three > > years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual > > mode of > > life here from the start. * > > > > > > * You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That > > you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than > > seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. * > > > > > > * The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an > > Important > > When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. > You > > Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming > to, > > or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help > > You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to > and > > leaving the UK. * > > > > > > http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf > > > > > > * 4.2 What does domicile mean? * > > > > > > * Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many > > Things > > Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should > > Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown > > below: > > * > > > > > > * You can not be without a domicile. * > > > > > > * You can only have one domicile at a time. * > > > > > > * You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You > > Have your permanent home. * > > > > > > * Your domicile will continue Existing Until You > > acquire a new one. * > > > > > > * Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, > > although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. * > > > > > > * The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas > > elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or > > not to you > > are domiciled in the UK. * > > > > > > ** > > > > > > * Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to > > Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. * > > > > > > http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf > > > > > > * Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And > > This > > is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK > if > > I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is > > not a UK > > domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To > Remain > > permanently. * > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom > > > > > > * In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to > > resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** > > jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . > ** > > A > > person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left > > it, > > if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have > > Not > > Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS > MOVED > > to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain > there > > indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI > place > > of incorporation. * > > > > > > * Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% *** > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * 3) sharee'ah of Scotland * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state > > civil (name, domicile, capacity) * > > > > > > * The address of a person at the time of birth (home of > > origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child > > marriage. [] * > > > > > > * For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, > > unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is > > must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with > > intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the > > time missing any of these requirements are reapplied > > old home rule. [] * > > > > > > * The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often > > be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, > > for example, an international instrument to which the UK is > > party. [..] * > > > > > > > http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm#I…. > > > > > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * Conclusions * > > > > > > > > > > According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO > > requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of > > principal residence in different passes of the region. > > > > > > The rules defining residence quse * means * and which > > we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use > > A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two > > separate and distinct concepts between s. > > > > > > > > > > So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as > > stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has > > their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing > > all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end > > her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the > > real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the > > place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; > > while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in > > a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, > > regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie > > more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies > > PhD) is in Scotland. > > > > > > > > > > That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to > > our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: > > residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have > > two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these > > passes > > a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed > > above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for > > assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: > > Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a > > character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the > > City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e > > electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of > > Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of > > same name). > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of > > LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles > > Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO > > ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the > > region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine > qudebe > > understood by residence, all of uniform considered two > > separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency > > view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of > > residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the > > election process that is open for the position of > > LACRALO representative to ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Arce JosFrancisco > > > > > > President of LACRALO > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/28ef028769.html --]]

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Re: Examen Final - Miembro de la elecci�n de ALAC (Parte 2)
by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Examen Final - Miembro de la elección de ALAC (Parte 2) De: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com Querido Lance, Gracias por la respuesta. Estoy pidiendo personal para hacer la interpretación de este de correo electrónico. Saludos cordiales José. - 2012/8/15 Lanza Hinds <brainstreetceo(a)gmail.com> > Thank you Jose, > > I know sometimes things get lost in the translation so just to be clear; Is > it the opinion of the President of LACRALO that candidate is ineligible or > as President of LACRALO you are ruling that the candidate is ineligible and > therefore cannot participate in the elections to be our ALAC > representative? > > Best regards > > Lance > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) > > From: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > > > > It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the > > legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated > > time. > > > > > > The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the > > residence) and defines residence as one of the components > > the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of > > remain there (in residence). > > > > > > * The home is the residence, accompanied, real or > > presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and > > civil. * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 > > 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See > > Pgina 231: > > > > stating: > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. * > > > > > > * A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the > > first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada > > the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a > > jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In > > however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the > absence > > of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning > of > > word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of > > seat in a particular location. * > > > > > > * In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has > > pronounced setting: * > > > > > > * B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and > > habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the > > where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah * > > > > > > The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the > > United Kingdom > > (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and > > distinguishing > > between home and residence. > > > > > > On the residence provides: > > > > > > UK residence * 2.2 * > > > > > > * There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are > > resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next > paragraph), > > it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically > > present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important > > consideration. * > > > > > > * The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically > > present > > in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here > > for 183 > > days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in > a > > tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. * > > > > > > * You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER > > than > > 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you > are > > here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to > the > > UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your > > your work life and social connections. * > > > > > > * Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * > > > > > > * 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? * > > > > > > * Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word > > Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not > casual. > > It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see > part > > 4). * > > > > > > * If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are > > here. > > When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK > > Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It > is > > enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. * > > > > > > * Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might > > be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be > > Properly > > Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide > > purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. * > > > > > > * Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and > > usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary > > Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for > three > > years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual > > mode of > > life here from the start. * > > > > > > * You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That > > you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than > > seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. * > > > > > > * The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an > > Important > > When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. > You > > Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming > to, > > or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help > > You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to > and > > leaving the UK. * > > > > > > http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf > > > > > > * 4.2 What does domicile mean? * > > > > > > * Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many > > Things > > Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should > > Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown > > below: > > * > > > > > > * You can not be without a domicile. * > > > > > > * You can only have one domicile at a time. * > > > > > > * You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You > > Have your permanent home. * > > > > > > * Your domicile will continue Existing Until You > > acquire a new one. * > > > > > > * Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, > > although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. * > > > > > > * The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas > > elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or > > not to you > > are domiciled in the UK. * > > > > > > ** > > > > > > * Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to > > Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. * > > > > > > http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf > > > > > > * Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And > > This > > is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK > if > > I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is > > not a UK > > domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To > Remain > > permanently. * > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom > > > > > > * In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to > > resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** > > jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . > ** > > A > > person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left > > it, > > if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have > > Not > > Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS > MOVED > > to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain > there > > indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI > place > > of incorporation. * > > > > > > * Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% *** > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * 3) sharee'ah of Scotland * > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state > > civil (name, domicile, capacity) * > > > > > > * The address of a person at the time of birth (home of > > origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child > > marriage. [] * > > > > > > * For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, > > unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is > > must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with > > intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the > > time missing any of these requirements are reapplied > > old home rule. [] * > > > > > > * The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often > > be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, > > for example, an international instrument to which the UK is > > party. [..] * > > > > > > > http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm#I…. > > > > > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > * Conclusions * > > > > > > > > > > According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO > > requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of > > principal residence in different passes of the region. > > > > > > The rules defining residence quse * means * and which > > we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use > > A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two > > separate and distinct concepts between s. > > > > > > > > > > So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as > > stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has > > their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing > > all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end > > her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the > > real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the > > place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; > > while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in > > a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, > > regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie > > more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies > > PhD) is in Scotland. > > > > > > > > > > That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to > > our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: > > residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have > > two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these > > passes > > a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed > > above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for > > assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: > > Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a > > character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the > > City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e > > electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of > > Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of > > same name). > > > > > > * > > * > > > > > > Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of > > LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles > > Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO > > ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the > > region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine > qudebe > > understood by residence, all of uniform considered two > > separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency > > view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of > > residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the > > election process that is open for the position of > > LACRALO representative to ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Arce JosFrancisco > > > > > > President of LACRALO > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/62af9086b6.html --]]

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Re: Examen Final - Miembro de la elecci�n de ALAC (Parte 2)
by brainstreetceo＠gmail.com Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Examen Final - Miembro de la elección de ALAC (Parte 2) De: brainstreetceo(a)gmail.com Gracias José, Sé que a veces las cosas se pierden en la traducción, de manera sólo para ser claros, es que la opinión del Presidente de LACRALO que el candidato es elegible o como Presidente de LACRALO que están gobernando que el candidato no reúne los requisitos y por lo tanto, no pueden participar en las elecciones para ser nuestro ALAC representante? Saludos cordiales Lanza On Wed, 15 de agosto 2012 a las 4:09 PM, <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Final Consideration - Member of ALAC Election (Part 2) > From: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > > It confuses two concepts: principal residence and domicile, the > legislaciny Chilean jurisprudence have clarified and demarcated > time. > > > The * Art 59 of the Civil code defines * Chile * address * (not the > residence) and defines residence as one of the components > the home. The other elements of the home is the minimum of > remain there (in residence). > > > * The home is the residence, accompanied, real or > presumably, the minimum to stay in it. Divdese in politician and > civil. * > > > * > * > > > * The case of the Chilean Supreme Court * (C Supreme December 24 > 1962, R, t 59, section 1, p 478) has discussed this topic.See > Pgina 231: > > stating: > > > * > * > > > * 1. Domicile, residence, habitacin, purple. * > > > * A) You can not confuse the elements of domicile and residence, the > first, which according to the civil code is the residence acompaada > the actual or presumptive minimum to stay in it, is a > jurdica valoracin defined by law Seala elements. In > however, a mere matter of residence de facto relationship, in the absence > of legal definition, must be understood as natural and obvious meaning of > word, as acciny effect of residence, ie the fact of being of > seat in a particular location. * > > > * In C Conception, April 28, 1964, R, t 61, sec 4, pg. 289 has > pronounced setting: * > > > * B) Civil Law, is the seat jurdico address of a person, and > habitacin residence and are in fact a link between the person and the > where she lives, ordinary or accidentally. * > > > * > * > > > * 2) United Kingdom tax sharee'ah * > > > The sharee'ah which is responsible for regulating the tax issue in the > United Kingdom > (Of which Scotland is a part) is also expressed in clear and > distinguishing > between home and residence. > > > On the residence provides: > > > UK residence * 2.2 * > > > * There are Many Different Factors Which will determine Whether you are > resident in the UK. With one exception (Explained in the next paragraph), > it is not simply a question of the number of days you are Physically > present in the UK During's tax year, although this is an Important > consideration. * > > > * The only occasion when to the number of days That You are Physically > present > in the UK will determine your residence status is when to you are here > for 183 > days or more During's tax year. If you are here for 183 days or more in a > tax year, you are resident in the UK. There are no exceptions to this. * > > > * You can Also be resident in the UK if you are present here for FEWER > than > 183 days in a tax year. This will depend on how long and how Often you are > here, the purpose and pattern of your Presence and your connections to the > UK. These might include the location of your family, your property, your > your work life and social connections. * > > > * Http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf * > > > * 3.2 What does ordinary residence mean? * > > > * Ordinary residence is Different from residence. The ordinary word > Indicates That your residence in the UK is typical for you and not casual. > It is Important not to confuse ordinary residence with domicile (see part > 4). * > > > * If you Have Always Lived in the UK ordinarily resident Then You are > here. > When you come to the UK you do not Have to intendant to Remain in the UK > Permanently or indefinitely in order to be ordinarily resident here. It is > enough That your residence has all the Following attributes. * > > > * Your Presence here have a Settled purpose. This might > be for only a limited Period, But you have enough continuity to be > Properly > Described as Settled.Business, employment and family can all to Provide > purpose Settled, But this list is not exhaustive. * > > > * Your Presence in the UK forms part of the Regular and > usual mode of your life for the Time Being. This can include temporary > Absences from the UK. For example if you come to live in the UK for three > years or more then you will Have Established to regulate and habitual > mode of > life here from the start. * > > > * You have to eat the UK voluntarily. The Fact That > you chose to come to the UK at the request of your employer Rather than > seek another job does not make your Presence here involuntary. * > > > * The pattern of your Presence, Both in the UK and overseas, is an > Important > When You Are Deciding factor if you are ordinarily resident in the UK. You > Also will need to take Into account your Reasons for Being in, coming to, > or leaving the UK and your lifestyle and habits. Parts 7 and 8 will help > You With this, As They Explain the Considerations For Those coming to and > leaving the UK. * > > > http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf > > > * 4.2 What does domicile mean? * > > > * Domicile is generally a matter of law, not of tax law. There are Many > Things > Which Affect your domicile. Some of the main points That You Should > Consider if you are not to be domiciled Claiming in the UK are Shown > below: > * > > > * You can not be without a domicile. * > > > * You can only have one domicile at a time. * > > > * You are domiciled in the country Normally Where You > Have your permanent home. * > > > * Your domicile will continue Existing Until You > acquire a new one. * > > > * Domicile is distinct from Nationality and residence, > although Both Can Have an Impact on your domicile. * > > > * The Fact That You register and vote as an overseas > elector is not taken Into account Normally Deciding when to whether or > not to you > are domiciled in the UK. * > > > ** > > > * Any references we make to Being domiciled in the UK are references to > Being domiciled in Any part of the UK. * > > > http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/hmrc6.pdf > > > * Domiciled here is a technical term With A Meaning. Very roughly (And > This > is a considerable simplification) an Individual is domiciled in the UK if > I was born in the UK or if the UK is permanent historical home, and is > not a UK > domicile if I was born outside of the UK and does not intendant To Remain > permanently. * > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom > > > * In law, domicile is the status or permanent attribution of Being to > resident <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident> In a special ** > jurisdiction <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_%28area%29> . ** > A > person can domiciled in a jurisdiction Remain Even After They Have left > it, > if They Have Sufficient links Maintained With That jurisdiction or Have > Not > Displayed an intention to leave Permanently (ie, If That person HAS MOVED > to a different state, But not yet have an intention Formed To Remain there > indefinitely). A place of domicile Corporations is equivalent to STI place > of incorporation. * > > > * Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_ 28law% 29% *** > > > * > * > > > * 3) sharee'ah of Scotland * > > > * > * > > > * III.3. ** The personal status and relationship issues in the state > civil (name, domicile, capacity) * > > > * The address of a person at the time of birth (home of > origin) is the same as that of his father, provided that it is a child > marriage. [] * > > > * For over 16 years assuming they are still the home of origin, > unless you opt for a different address. To choose a different address is > must actually reside in the JURISDICTION concerned with > intention to remain there indefinitely or permanently. In the > time missing any of these requirements are reapplied > old home rule. [] * > > > * The cuestin the domicile of a person in a particular country often > be regulated by the Scottish sharee'ah except disposicin contrary, > for example, an international instrument to which the UK is > party. [..] * > > > http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/applicable_law/applicable_law_sco_es.htm# III.3. > > > > > * > * > > > * Conclusions * > > > > > According to the above, the Operating Principles as required LACRALO > requirement to be representative of LACRALO to ALAC, have their place of > principal residence in different passes of the region. > > > The rules defining residence quse * means * and which > we use (ascomo the rest of the sharee'ah acompaada) use > A similar approach: distinguish between domicile and residence as two > separate and distinct concepts between s. > > > > > So my understanding is that Mr. Humberto Carrasco (l himself as > stated in an email to the list of discussion LACRALO) has > their * home * in Chile, but he is now residing > all, as it has stated its intention to return to Chile at the end > her PhD, has a current intention that Chile is the > real home, fixed, permanent and principal.Is the > place where, every time estausente, it intends to return; > while its * CV *, reside in that, being the seat in > a particular place, the bond between the person and the dwelling place, > regular or accidentally, with a certain character of permanence, ie > more than just a temporary stay (to complete their studies > PhD) is in Scotland. > > > > > That is, following the criteria established by the laws applicable to > our case, there are two concepts that should not be confused: > residence and domicile. In the situation of Mr. Humberto Carrasco have > two passes: Chile and Scotland. The criterion for assigning one of these > passes > a * home *, is a legal standard and is the one discussed > above: the home of Mr. Carrasco is Chile. The criterion for > assigned to one of these passes a * home *, is a standard fact: > Mr.Carrasco is living, living, has a home with a > character of stay (want to finish her PhD) in the > City of Edinburgh, Scotland (aslo said in his e > electrnicos: desconociencontrarse never living in the city of > Edinburgh and be pursuing doctoral studies at the University of > same name). > > > * > * > > > Therefore, pursuant to the provisions of the Rules of > LACRALO procedure and observing the Item 8 of the Principles > Operating LACRALO requiring representatives to LACRALO > ALAC debern that his principal residence in different passes of the > region and taking into account the analysis performed to determine qudebe > understood by residence, all of uniform considered two > separate concepts, residence and domicile. The Presidency > view that Mr. Humberto Carrasco NOT meet the requirements of > residence required to be accepted as a candidate vlido within the > election process that is open for the position of > LACRALO representative to ALAC. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Arce JosFrancisco > > > President of LACRALO > _______________________________________________ > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/9f10666ea4.html --]]

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ANUNCIO DE VOTO: LACRALO ALS 158 y 159/LACRALO ALS 158 y 159
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: ANUNCIO DE VOTO: LACRALO ALS 158 y 159/LACRALO ALS 158 y 159 De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Espaoles una continuacin. Tenga en cuenta que los votos para el Consejo Regional de aplicaciones de la LACRALO ALS 158 y 159 ya han comenzado. ***** Pregunta 1: ¿Está de acuerdo que la Asociación de Profesionales de la organización de Notario Público de Uruguay a formar parte de LACRALO? Aplicación: http://goo.gl/5XkNV Comentarios: https://community.icann.org/x/kxgQAg --- Pregunta 2: ¿Está de acuerdo que la organización de la Asociación Nacional para la Inclusión Digital a formar parte de LACRALO? Aplicación: http://goo.gl/LJZ3B Comentarios: https://community.icann.org/x/kxgQAg ***** Por favor, tenga en cuenta que la encuesta de ALS estará abierta desde el 15 de agosto de 2012 a las 19:00 UTC UTC del 20 de agosto de 2012 17:59. Un cordial saludo, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gruber Gisela, y Peregrine Nathalie El personal de ICANN política en apoyo de ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org < https://owa.icann.org/owa/redir.aspx?C=bae4382542ca489294ee2fc9c14ad9f8&URL…> ----------- Saludos, Por favor nota Que los votos párrafo de El Consejo Regional de LACRALO Sobre las Solicitudes Para Las ALS 158 y 159 ha comenzado. ***** Question 1: Escritor estde acuerdo Que La organizacin Asociacin de Escribanos DEL URUGUAY Haga Parte de LACRALO? APLICACIN: http://goo.gl/5XkNV COMENTARIOS: https://community.icann.org/x/kxgQAg --- Question 2: Escritor estde acuerdo Que La organizacin Associao Nacional para ANID Incluso Digital de Brasil Haga Parte de LACRALO? APLICACIN: http://goo.gl/LJZ3B COMENTARIOS: https://community.icann.org/x/kxgQAg ***** Por favor nota Que las Elecciones pÃ¡rrafo las ALSes sueros abierto Desde El 15 de Agosto 2012 19 UTC al 20 de Agosto del 2012 17:59 UTC. Un cordial saludo, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gruber Gisela, y Peregrine Nathalie El personal de ICANN polÃtica en apoyo de ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org < https://owa.icann.org/owa/redir.aspx?C=bae4382542ca489294ee2fc9c14ad9f8&URL…> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/6463defb24.html --]]

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Consideracion Final - Elecciones para Miembro de ALAC (Parte 1)
by José Francisco Arce Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

Estimados, Vengo por la presente a informales comentarles el porqué de la demora de novedades respecto las elecciones para miembros de ALAC. Antes me gustaría en nombre de la presidencia y secretaria (Sylvia) agradecer a todos los miembros de la region, al personal del staff y a Olivier, presidente de ALAC, por la ayuda que han brindado en este tema. Si quiero remarcar, antes de exponer algunas ideas a las cuales arribe, que durante este tiempo se solicitaron al personal del staff de ICANN los audios de la reunión de San Juan a los fines de poder escuchar las discusiones de la regla 8 y por cuestiones técnicas esos audios no funcionan. La idea era poder ver cuál era el espíritu de dicha regla. Algunos de ustedes que estuvieron en ese momento lo han expresado en la lista y se lo gradecemos. Y se consulto al personal legal de ICANN hacerca de a presente situación. Como este email va a ser largo lo voy a dividir en dos, para que las traducciones sean mejores. * * *Antecedentes* Habiéndose convocado a elecciones para elegir al representante de LACRALO ante ALAC para el período 2012-2014, a partir del 15 de julio de 2012, se aceptaron nominaciones de candidaturas hasta el 29 de julio de 2012. Luego se receptaron las aceptaciones a dichas nominaciones hasta el 31 de julio de 2012, siendo los candidatos nominados y aceptantes de sus candidaturas: Fatima Cambronero, Humberto Carrasco y Dev Anand Teelucksingh. Posteriormente se fijó el día 9 de Agosto como fecha para la teleconferencia para que los candidatos hagan sus presentaciones y den a conocer sus propuestas. Con fecha 8 de agosto, luego de recibir correos electrónicos y comunicaciones de diferentes miembros de nuestra región preocupados por la situación de Humberto Carrasco, al estar estudiando y viviendo en Edimburgo (Escocia) comuniqué dicha situación en la lista de discusión de LACRALO, abriéndose a debate de la comunidad con diferentes tipos de manifestaciones. * * *Principios Operativos de LACRALO y MoU entre ICANN y LACRALO* Como ya se expresara anteriormente, los requisitos que se exigen en nuestros Principios Operativos y que deben cumplir los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC se encuentran fijados de manera expresa en el *Punto 8*de dichos Principios, que en la parte pertinente establecen: “ […] Los representantes seleccionados deben ser miembros de diferentes ALS, *deben tener su lugar de residencia principal en diferentes países de la región*, y sus nacionalidades deben ser distintas […]”. <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%2520Ope…> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%2520Ope… Asimismo, el Memorando de Entendimiento (MoU) firmado por ICANN y LACRALO, en su Punto 5.4.1. dispone en el mismo sentido que los Principios Operativos: “[…] Los representantes elegidos deberán ser miembros de diferentes ALS, *tendrán residencia en alguno de los países de la región* y sus nacionalidades tendrán que ser diferentes. […]”. <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/MOU%2520Between%25…> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/MOU%2520Between%25… La cuestión que hay que determinar es si Humberto Carrasco tiene su residencia en uno de los países de nuestra región, para que pueda ser aceptado como un candidato válido para representar a LACRALO ante ALAC dentro del proceso eleccionario que tenemos en curso. Deberemos determinar por lo tanto, que se entiende por *“residencia”*. * * *Definición de Residencia* Para determinar qué se entiende por “residencia” debemos recurrir en primer lugar a nuestro MoU y a nuestros Principios Operativos de LACRALO que son los que por regla, se aplican en primer lugar para todas las situaciones que ocurran dentro de nuestro RALO. Dentro de ambos cuerpos regulatorios, no se define qué se entiende o se debe entender por “residencia”. Sin embargo, uno de los miembros de LACRALO, quien fuera uno de los redactores de ambos documentos, Carlton Samuels, se expresó en la lista de discusión de LACRALO, manifestando que al momento de la redacción hubo muchas discusiones tendientes a determinar si se debía utilizar la palabra “domicilio”, en lugar de la palabra finalmente utilizada, que fue “residencia”. Esto evidencia cuál fue el espíritu de la norma al optar por una palabra que tiene más que ver con hechos (factum) y no con una palabra que implica una definición legal, como es domicilio. Sin embargo, los Principios Operativos de LACRALO no se pueden analizar de manera aislada de los Estatutos de ICANN, ya que en virtud del MoU celebrado, LACRALO se compromete a respetar dichos Estatutos. Asimismo la última parte del Punto 8 de los Principios Operativos refuerza esta idea: “[…] Los representantes tendrán a su cargo las responsabilidades estipuladas en los *estatutos de ICANN”.* https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%2520Ope… Por lo tanto, debemos recurrir a los Estatutos de ICANN para analizar si definen qué debe entenderse por* “residencia”.* Los *Estatutos de ICANN *en el *Artículo 6 *referido a la Junta de Directores, en la *Sección 2, sub sección 2* mencionado en argumentos anteriores, se refiere al requisito de *diversidad *(“Cálculo de Diversidad” que deben cumplir los *Directores de la Junta* en el proceso de selección que realice el *Comité de Nominaciones* (NomCom), por lo tanto, tampoco se puede analizar aislado de su contexto. Esta situación es la que corresponde al antecedente de Adam Peake. No se aplica a nuestro caso de análisis debido a que la elección del representante de LACRALO debe ser realizada por el mismo LACRALO y no por el Comité de Nominaciones. http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws Para estos fines es que el mencionado artículo concluye diciendo que el * “domicilio”* se determinará por el lugar donde el candidato tiene una residencia permanente y un lugar de morada. Es decir, que aun cuando este artículo no contemple la situación a la cual estamos intentando resolver, tampoco define qué se debe entender por “residencia”, si no que sólo define al concepto “domicilio”. Se entiende que los conceptos domicilio y residencia son conceptos diferentes, y que la residencia es uno de los componentes que caracterizan al domicilio. * * *Estatutos de ICANN y las leyes de California* Habiendo analizado los Estatutos de ICANN y sin encontrar respuesta en los mismos, sobre qué debemos entender por “residencia”, estos mismos Estatutos son quienes nos indican que debemos recurrir a las leyes del Estado de California. *ICANN *es una organización sin fines de lucro de beneficio público creada en el año 1998 bajo las leyes del estado de California: por lo tanto se encuentra sometida tanto a las leyes estatales de California como a las leyes federales de Estados Unidos. Una de las razones por las que ICANN se constituyó como una corporación no lucrativa de beneficio público es que el Estado de California ofrece un marco riguroso de rendición de cuentas legales para las organizaciones de este tipo. Las responsabilidades que se han puesto en marcha a través de los Estatutos de ICANN y su estructura corporativa deben dar a los interesados la certeza de que ICANN opera con los más altos estándares de rendición de cuentas. http://archive.icann.org/en/accountability/frameworks-principles/legal-corp… * * *Leyes de California* Las *Directrices para determinar la condición de residentes del año 2010*de la *Franchise Tax Board del Estado de California*, de manera expresa definen quiénes deben ser comprendidos en la calidad de residentes y en la de no residentes: *“California defines a resident as anyone: (1) in the state for other than a transitory or temporary purpose;”* ¿Qué se debe entender por propósito temporal o transitorio? Esto se explica a continuación: “*California presumes a resident spends more than 9 months a year in the state; however, spending less time does not create a presumption of non-residency. Also, one may be a resident of California even though his domicile is elsewhere”.* Este artículo debe ser entendido dentro del contexto. Tomando en cuenta la definición que estas directrices realizan también de domicilio: *“The term “domicile” has a special legal definition that is not the same as residence. While many states consider domicile and residence to be the same, California makes a distinction and views them as two separate concepts, even though they may often overlap. For instance, you may be domiciled in California but not be a California resident or you may be domiciled in another state but be a California resident for income tax purposes.* *Domicile **is defined for tax purposes as the place where you voluntarily establish yourself and family, not merely for a special or limited purpose, but with a present intention of making it your true, fixed, permanent home and principal establishment. It is the place where, whenever you are absent, you intend to return”.* Esto se encuentra complementado por definiciones que realiza la doctrina: *"Residence"** and "domicile" are distinct concepts for California tax purposes. "Domicile" denotes the one location with which a person has the most settled and permanent connections and where the person intends to remain. [fn6] "Residence" denotes any factual place of abode of some permanency, that is, "more than a mere temporary sojourn”.* *“Regarding domicile, the Court of Appeal has previously defined "domicile" as the "one location with which for legal purposes a person is considered to have the most settled and permanent connection, the place where he intends to remain and to which, whenever he is absent, he has the intention of returning ...."* *http://www.mofo.com/pubs/xpqPublicationDetail.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&pub=6792*<http://www.mofo.com/pubs/xpqPublicationDetail.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&pub=6792> * * El* Código Electoral de California del año 2010, *en el *Artículo 2*también especifica los criterios para determinar la residencia y el domicilio: *“2021. (a) A person who leaves his or her home to go into another state or precinct in this state for temporary purposes merely, with the intention of returning, does not lose his or her domicile.* * (b) A person does not gain a domicile in any precinct into which he or she comes for temporary purposes merely, without the intention of making that precinct his or her home”.* http://law.justia.com/codes/california/2010/elec/2020-2035.html * * *Otras legislaciones que distinguen entre Domicilio y Residencia* Siguiendo el orden que señalan los Principios Operativos de LACRALO, el MoU firmado con ICANN, los Estatutos de ICANN y las Leyes de California aparece de manera expresa y clara la distinción entre los dos conceptos de residencia y domicilio, y definen el concepto de residencia que es necesario cumplir para ser un representante de LACRALO ante ALAC. Asimismo, si tuviéramos que recurrir a otras legislaciones para que no quede ningún tipo de duda, encontramos tanto en la legislación chilena, en la escocesa y en la del Reino Unido, que todas distinguen entre residencia y domicilio, y definen a ambos conceptos de la misma manera y utilizando los mismos criterios. Por lo tanto, aun en el caso de que nuestros estatutos no previeran esta situación (que sí lo hacen) y debiéramos recurrir a legislación externa a través de su análisis, en todos los casos llegaríamos al mismo resultado: domicilio y residencia son conceptos diferentes y separados. * * *1) Ley Chilena* Para reforzar a la ley californiana que distingue entre domicilio y residencia, encontramos en la legislación y jurisprudencia chilena pronunciamientos en el mismo sentido, teniendo en cuenta además la legislación chilena (Código Civil chileno) que el Sr. Humberto Carrasco acompaña en su correo electrónico a la lista de discusión de LACRALO. Manifestaciones del Sr. Humberto Carrasco en la lista de discusión de LACRALO: *“b.- La segunda, que es mi interpretación, la que señala que sigo tendiendo residencia principal (o domicilio), aunque tenga una residencia secundaria, o dicho de otra forma, soy residente no domiciliado en Edimburgo”.*

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Cumbre GTLD por y para los componentes de la marca / IP?
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Cumbre GTLD por y para los componentes de la marca / IP? De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Ahora aquí está una idea. El evento es co-ubicada con una centrada en IP en el industria del entretenimiento. Kurt Pritz es uno de los oradores. Aquí hay un enlace: http://www.worldrg.com/showConference.cfm?confcode=AW12007&goback =% 2Egde_110405_member_146667723 - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7c7734afd0.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Fw: Consulta a la Región - Elecciones ALAC !!!
by Guillermo M. Zamora - Abogado Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

Estimados: Desde ADIAR, sigo atentamente la discusión y el planteo esgrimido por el Sr. Presidente.- Debó aclarar una sola cosa respecto al tema del animus y corpus, se establece que la residencia de un sujeto está determinada como bien Señala el Sr. presidente por ambos aspectos, pero difiero sustancialmente en la interpretación atento lo cual no creo en absoluto que el animus de Humberto sea vivir en Edimburgo.- Los que tenemos el placer y orgullo de conocer a Humberto sabemos que es chileno hasta la medula, que sus razonamientos son chilenos y por ende latinoamericanos, el lugar donde esten nuestros huesos no nos definen en absoluto.- Que Humberto viva en Edimburgo no significa que en este mundo donde podemos estar más al tanto de lo que pasa en nuestra ciudad por internet que por el diario local, considero que tal interpretación no sólo no es objetivamente correcta sino que no se ajusta a los tiempos y tecnologías que usamos.- La norma no es clara ni determinante, por darles un ejemplo de lo que quiero decir, los que me conocen saben que soy patagonico y chubutense, en mi època de estudiante viví 12 años en el norte de mi pais, en la provincia de Santa Fe, alguien podría decir que dejé de ser chubutense y patagónico por estar obligado a vivir allí por cuestiones económicas?, Alquien puede pensar que por ej. el Sr. Andrés Piazza actual Public Affairs Officer en * LACNIC <http://www.linkedin.com/company/91831?trk=pro_other_cmpy>, *quien actualmente reside en Uruguay,* *es menos cordobés y Argentino ? o sabe menos lo que pasa en nuestro pais?, en absoluto, el animus no es sólo la voluntad de quedarse en un lugar, sino la voluntad de quedarse independientemente de circunstancias externas.- Entiendo lo señalado por el Sr. Presidente y lo compartiría si vivieramos en otra era que no fuera la de las comunicaciones, pero no es el caso, desde mi absolutamente personal óptica y completamente subjetiva opinión considero que Humberto Carrasco, tiene su domicilio donde indique la ley pero la residencia no está en absoluto definida por tal situación.- Saludos cordiales y disculpen la disgreción Guillermo M. Zamora Representante ADIAR Asociación de Derecho Informático de Argentina El 9 de agosto de 2012 08:58, Horacio Fernandez Delpech < hfernandez(a)hfernandezdelpech.com.ar> escribió: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Carrasco > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:37 AM > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Consulta a la Región - Elecciones ALAC !!! > > Estimados todos: > > Primero que todo, quiero manifestar que no estoy para nada molesto con > el planeamiento. Lo único criticable es que se haga con tanto poco > tiempo para responder antes de la teleconferencia del día. ¿No será muy > poco tiempo preparar una respuesta adecuada? > > De todas formas voy a responder hoy. > > Me parece absolutamente necesario que se haga esta pregunta a la región > para que no quede la menor duda de que si cumplo con los requistos para > ser candidato. Aunque se me quiera ganar por secretaria "como se dice > en Chile" voy a tratar de explicar con sólidos fundamentos jurídicos el > porque estoy en completo desacuerdo con este intepretación del requisito > que hacen algunos. > > Lo único que les pido es que me den tiempo hasta las 18:00 UCT antes de > emitir una opinión por la lista. A mi no me han dado la posibilidad de > defenderme ni comentar esta situación. Por ello, en virtud del "Derecho > al debido Proceso" tan de moda hoy en día, es que solicito ese tiempo. > > > Por ello, a aquellos que aún no se pronuncian, les ruego, que no lo > hagan hasta despues de emitir mi correo. > > Un abrazo > > > Dear all: > > First of all, let me say that I am not upset with this issue. The only > criticism, is that I have little time to respond before the > teleconference of today. Do you think I have enought time to prepare an > appropriate response? > > However, I will respond today. > > I find it absolutely necessary to ask this question to the region to > leave no doubt that I comply with the requirements to be a candidate. > Although someone wants to win via secretary "as we say in Chile," I will > try to explain the legal foundations because I completely disagree with > this interpretation. > > Please, give me time until 18:00 UCT before to send an opinion the > list. I did not have the opportunity to defend or comment on this > situation before. Therefore, under the "the right to due process" so > fashionable today, in latinamerica, I request this time. > > > Therefore, If you have not send your opinion regarding this issue to the > list, I beg you, please wait until my reply. > > > A hug > > > > > El 09-08-2012 1:00, José Francisco Arce escribió: > > Estimados, > > > > > > Les escribo en esta oportunidad para participarlos en una situación que > se > > ha dado en las últimas semanas en LACRALO, referente a la situación de > > Humberto Carrasco como candidato a miembro de ALAC, teniendo su > residencia > > actual en Edimburgo y el posible conflicto con los principios operativos > > de > > LACRALO en la regla numero 8 (Citada mas abajo). > > > > > > He recibido mail del Staff de ICANN inclusive, consultando esta situación > > particular, y varios mails de miembros de la región preocupados y con > > dudas > > acerca de las elecciones próximas. Y se ha convertido en un tema que > > merece > > la discusión y el conocimiento de la región. > > > > > > Antes de enviar este email, tuve oportunidad de hablar personalmente con > > Humberto y el comparte la idea de debatir entre todos esta situación. > > > > > > > > De todas las consultas y charlas que he tenido arme un resumen de las > > situaciones y preocupaciones generales y las comparto con ustedes para > que > > puedan opinar. > > > > > > > > Saludos > > > > > > José Arce.- > > > > Presidente de LACRALO > > > > > > > > *Lugar de residencia de Humberto Carrasco* > > > > Humberto está viviendo en Edimburgo, Escocia, y está estudiando un > > Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo. Él mismo ha expresado esta > > situación cuando envió un correo electrónico a la lista de discusión de > > LACRALO, aceptando la nominación propuesta como representante de LACRALO > > ante ALAC. > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004678.html > > > > También existen correos electrónicos en la lista de discusión de LACRALO > > donde él solicita que lo llamen para una teleconferencia de LACRALO, > donde > > brinda un número telefónico de Escocia para recibir la llamada. > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005262.html > > > > Además en la página personal de Facebook, donde cada uno de los usuarios > > brinda los datos que quiere brindar de manera voluntaria, Humberto ha > > expresado que vive en Edimburgo, Escocia. > > > > https://www.facebook.com/humberto.carrasco.376 > > > > > > > > < > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005262.html > >También > > en su perfil personal de Facebook, Humberto ha expresado que comenzó sus > > estudios en la Universidad de Edimburgo en el año 2011. Como es de > público > > conocimiento, estudiar un Doctorado de la rama que fuere, demanda mucho > > más que un año de estudio, por lo que se infiere que todavía está > viviendo > > en Edimburgo y estudiando su Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo. > > > > https://www.facebook.com/humberto.carrasco.376/info > > > > > > > > *Requisitos de residencia para estudiar un Doctorado en la Universidad de > > Edimburgo (Escocia)* > > > > En el enlace que se acompaña se detallan los requisitos de residencia > para > > estudiar un Doctorado en Edimburgo en el sector de las telecomunicaciones > > como el que Humberto está realizando. > > > > http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/08-09/regulations/postgrad.php > > > > Entre esos requisitos contenidos en el punto 4 se exige que los > candidatos > > a PhD deben mantener su *residencia en Edimburgo* *durante el período de > > estudio* (en Doctorados tienen un mínimo de 3 años de duración) a menos > > que > > una licencia de ausencia haya sido permitida. *Se entiende por residencia > > en Edimburgo: residencia en la ciudad de Edimburgo o en sus > inmediaciones, > > y proximidad del candidato a Edimburgo, para permitir la facilidad de las > > reuniones cara a cara con sus supervisores y el estudio, dirigido por el > > supervisor y aprobado por la Facultad*. > > > > Este documento de la Universidad de Edimburgo también establece la > > posibilidad de residencia en otro lugar para candidatos a PhD para fines > > de > > trabajo de campo e investigaciones académicas siempre que no excedan el > > plazo de 15 meses, aunque debiendo residir al menos durante 9 meses de la > > duración de su Doctorado en Edimburgo. Para hacer uso de esta posibilidad > > los candidatos deberán obtener la autorización por escrito del Director > de > > la Facultad y con la exigencia de mantener un contacto regular con su > > propio supervisor. > > > > Los permisos para razones distintas a trabajos de campo o investigaciones > > académicas, serán concedidos de manera excepcional por la Facultad. > > > > *Requisitos para los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC* > > > > La primera regla a la que debemos acudir es a nuestros Principios > > Operativos de LACRALO, que tienen contemplada esta situación de manera > > expresa, taxativa y clara. > > > > En caso de que haya laguna en ese tema en nuestros Principios Operativos, > > recién ahí se deben recurrir a reglas externas, como las Reglas de > > Procedimiento de ALAC, y recién luego a los Estatutos de ICANN. > > > > Las Reglas de Procedimiento de ALAC, no tienen nada previsto sobre este > > tema. Los estatutos de ICANN se refieren a la residencia, pero solo con > > respecto a los Directores de la Junta y para cumplir con el requisito de > > la > > diversidad regional que está contemplada y exigida de manera expresa para > > poder ser miembros. > > > > *Principios Operativos de LACRALO* > > > > Los Principios Operativos de LACRALO disponen en su principio número 8, > > primer párrafo referido a los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC de > > manera > > expresa: > > > > “8. La LACRALO elegirá a dos (2) individuos para servir como > > representantes > > ante el At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), en los términos que han sido > > especificados en los estatutos de ICANN. Sólo aquellas ALS que hayan sido > > acreditadas antes de la votación, podrán votar en la elección. Cada ALS > > acreditada tendrá derecho a un voto. Los *representantes seleccionados > > *deben > > ser miembros de diferentes ALS, *deben tener su lugar de residencia > > principal en diferentes países de la región*, y sus nacionalidades deben > > ser distintas. Los representantes tendrán a su cargo las > responsabilidades > > estipuladas en los estatutos del ICANN”.* > > > https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%2520Ope… > > * > > > > > > > > *Interpretación de los abogados de ICANN* > > > > Sam Eisner writes => > > > > **STARTS** > > > > The LACRALO may wish to consider how issues of diversity are discussed in > > the ICANN Bylaws for the purposes of determining domicile/residency: > > > > For purposes of this sub-section 2 of Article VI, Section 2 of > > the ICANN Bylaws, if any candidate for director maintains citizenship of > > more than one country, or has been domiciled for more than five years in > a > > country of which the candidate does not maintain citizenship > ("Domicile"), > > that candidate may be deemed to be from either country and must select in > > his/her Statement of Interest the country of citizenship or Domicile that > > he/she wants the Nominating Committee to use for Diversity Calculation > > purposes. For purposes of this sub- section 2 of Article VI, Section 2 of > > the ICANN Bylaws, a person can only have one "Domicile," which shall be > > determined by where the candidate has a permanent residence and place of > > habitation. > > > > There are considerations of issues of citizenship (which don't seem to be > > at issue with this candidate) and where he lives. The NomCom requirement > > sets a 5-year window – which could allow for items such as schooling, > etc. > > The LACRALO may wish to consider whether a school's requirement that a > > matriculant live near the school to further his education equals a > > requirement that the matriculant no longer maintain any sort of residence > > elsewhere – and they may wish to discuss this with the candidate before > > taking a decision on whether the candidacy is viable. Whatever decision > > is > > taken, I would recommend getting a full view of the facts from the > > candidate, and not basing a decision fully on independent internet > > research. > > > > I don't see in the ALAC ops document that there's any discussion of > > residency requirements, so I don't see a conflict there. > > > > ** ENDS** > > > > En la consulta realizada a los abogados de ICANN, expresan lo expresado > > arriba. Aunque se olvidan que cuando la situación presentada está > > contemplada de manera expresa en nuestros estatutos, debemos recurrir en > > primer lugar, a ellos. Además hacen referencia a las elecciones a cargo > > del > > NomCom, que se rigen por reglas diferentes a las de LACRALO. > > > > En este caso, estamos buscando elegir por la región, a un representante > de > > LACRALO ante ALAC. Se tienen que aplicar las reglas que rigen en nuestra > > región, no las del NomCom. Las del NomCom se aplicarán cuando se elijan > > candidatos a su cargo, que no es nuestro caso. > > > > Aplicar reglas de extraña jurisdicción afectan la *independencia y > > autonomía que debe tener un RALO: la posibilidad de dictar por sus > propios > > estatutos y regirse por ellos*. > > > > * > > * > > > > *¿Cómo se debe interpretar el requisito de la residencia?* > > > > Legalmente, la residencia implica dos elementos: el *corpus *y el > > *animus*. > > Es decir, encontrarse físicamente en un lugar (con el cuerpo de la > persona > > en dicho lugar, viviendo en determinado lugar) y además dicha persona > debe > > tener la intención, el *animus*, de permanecer allí. > > > > En la documentación acompañada queda demostrado que Humberto Carrasco, > > vive, reside, tiene su *corpus* en Edimburgo y además que tiene la > > intención (el *animus*) de permanecer allí, debido a que aún se encuentra > > estudiando su Doctorado y para finalizarlo deberá continuar viviendo en > > Edimburgo, tal como se lo exigen los reglamentos de residencia para los > > Doctorados de la Universidad de Edimburgo. > > > > Además es propio y de la naturaleza de la residencia, que una persona no > > puede tener dos o más residencia, en distintos lugares y al mismo tiempo, > > debido principalmente a que una persona sólo dispone de un cuerpo. Es > > decir, en nuestro caso, Humberto no puede tener su residencia, vivir, en > > Edimburgo y en Chile, al mismo tiempo. > > > > También vienen en ayuda para determinar la residencia de las personas, > > generalmente, las legislaciones en materia tributaria de cada país. > Porque > > se entiende como regla general, que todos los ciudadanos tributan en el > > país en el que viven o tienen su residencia principal. Salvo excepciones, > > en las que una persona aún viviendo en un determinado país, deberá > > tributar > > en otro país, si en el segundo tiene fuente de ingresos. > > > > Si se sostiene que Humberto tiene residencia en Chile, recurrimos a la > > legislación tributaria de dicho país, especialmente la referida al > > Impuesto > > sobre las Rentas provenientes de bienes situados en Chile o de > actividades > > desarrolladas en él, es decir, de fuente chilena. > > > > Para la legislación chilena se entiende entonces por residencia, a los > > fines tributarios a: > > > > *"Residente", toda persona natural que permanezca en Chile más de seis > > meses en un año calendario, o más de seis meses en total, dentro de dos > > años tributarios consecutivos, * > > > > Por lo tanto, debemos preguntarnos, partiendo de que una persona no puede > > tener dos residencias diferentes y al mismo tiempo, si ser residente en > > Chile implica estar más de seis meses en el país, y por otro lado, los > > reglamentos de residencia de la Universidad de Edimburgo, le exigen a > > Humberto residir en Edimburgo o sus inmediaciones durante el plazo de sus > > estudios, ¿cómo podría residir al mismo tiempo en Chile y en Edimburgo? > > > > * > > * > > > > *El quid a discutir es (desde mi punto de vista):* > > > > Se incumple el requisito de la residencia que establecen los Principios > > Operativos de LACRALO *“tener su lugar de residencia principal en > > diferentes países de la región” por tener Humberto Carrasco actualmente > su > > residencia en Edimburgo?* > > > > Espero que podamos debatir este tema para hacer transparentes nuestros > > procesos. > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > > __________ Información de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versión de la base de > firmas > de virus 7369 (20120809) __________ > > ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- Guillermo M. 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Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: RES: OP De: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Pienso Lo Mismo Carlton, y ESO ES MUY BUENO. Solo Que es Nuestra Regin del heno Quienes no entienden lo, El disentir es insultar párrafo ELLOS. Saludos cordiales Alberto Soto ----- Mensaje original ----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En Nombre de carlton.samuels @ gmail.com El Enviado: mircoles, 15 de Agosto de 2012 11:41 am Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP [[- Texto traducido (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: RES: OP De: carlton.samuels @ gmail.com Fray Carlos: Los Hombres razonables Siempre Se Puede ESTAR en desacuerdo y SEGUIR siendo Agradable. No ESTAMOS de acuerdo en this TEMA. De Todos Modos, todava disfruto de mi Respeto y Afecto. Mejor, - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Mvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificacin, Gobierno, Evaluaciny * Plazos ============================= El mar, 14 de Agosto de 2012, las 9:25 de la mañana, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com escribió: > My Dear Bro: On this opportunity I can`t share with you. I insist in my > position* LACRALO is: independent and soverign*. As you said in your > (wrong,for me ) interpretation, LACRALO can give rules itself and changes > the same, so it shows it completely independent, dont have to respond to > anybody. This sentence is clear: *"This Memorandum of understanding > ("MOU")defines an agreement between the Signing Organizations and the > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Its intent is to > establish, and define activities to be carried out by, the Latin America & > Caribbean Regional At-Large Large Organization, and supported by ICANN."* > *ICANN is another organization* as showed the paragraph before. For that > reason we have a *MoU, because there are two organizations* related by > this kind of contract or agreement. > ICANN is based on the California Law, thats true, but this only affect the > relationship with LACRALO, if LACRALO adopt some directive against this > legal body (CAlifornia law). if not, MoU between two different > remains alive in force. > *LACRALO is constituted by Organizations*, and the *government body is it > GA*, wich is *one delegate by each organization*. This is the explanation > of the *"Signing Organizations" *sentence*. * > Now LACRALO is supported by ICANN, according MoU, but this could change in > the future, and *LACRALO* could follow being an *organization > and *the most important: this was the idea .* > *The idea from the begining was to have an independent organization in > LAC region composed by End User*s, that was the motivation of LACRALO. We > are not part of ICANN, wich could be the sense of that? > *ICANN and the multistackeholder model no need uniformity*. And to build > a diverse & democratic ecosystem ICANN need differents oppinion from > different groups of opinion. LACRALO is one of them, composed by End Users > organizations by LAC region. *ICANN need a LACRALO independent and > soverign*. > My personal opinion on that. > > A warm, big and strong hug to you. > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > ------------------------------ > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:41:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > 2012/8/10 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > > :rule that you mention doesnt apply in this case, because we have a > specific rule. Ón the othe side LACRALO is not part of ICÁNN we only have > a MOU signed, but we are independent of ICÁNN rules. > > Regards > > ================================ > My brother Carlos: > See the highlighted portion of your text, as translated. In this case, I > believe the interpretation is incorrect. > > Your interpretation that LACRALO is 'independent' of ICANN rules is widely > held in Latin America. Without a doubt, I believe it is responsible for > declarations such as 'LACRALO is sovereign'. > > Now, lawyers can and do disagree in interpretation of statute or > documents. Case law confirms this situation. Add to this and in this > context, the differences in legal histories and interpretative mechanisms > of so-called 'common law' countries as in the Caribbean versus 'civil law' > countries as predominant in Latin America. Here is a perfect example and > another such case. > > ICANN's premise is well defined in law. It exists as a 'public benefit' > corporation under the laws of the state of California. When it registered > as a legal entity, it filed its bye-laws with the State. Those bye-laws > filed and accepted by the State of California binds and empowers its > operations and actions. > > This means ICANN's actions are only legal and enforceable to the extent > they comply with its bye-laws. > > LACRALO's premise is defined by the MOU signed with ICANN. That MOU is > subject to the ICANN bye-laws; ICANN cannot make binding agreements that > are injurious to its bye-laws. > > This is the text that describes the "Purpose and Scope" of LACRALO in the > MOU signed with ICANN: > "This Memorandum of understanding ("MOU")defines an agreement between the > Signing Organizations and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers. Its intent is to establish, and define activities to be carried > out by, the Latin America & Caribbean Regional At-Large Large > Organization, and supported by ICANN." > > Note the term *"Signing Organisations"*. > > Here's the definition of said 'Signing Organisations': "Organizations in > the Latin America & Caribbean region certified by the ALAC as At-Large > Structures that are signatories to this MOU.". > > It is the *signing organisations*, meaning the ALSes, that enjoy the legal > relationship with ICANN. In other words, LACRALO is purely a label for > ease of reference that means 'all of us ALSes, acting together'. > > The certification requirement for ALSes poses another hurdle. The power to > accept and certify ALSes is ceded to the ALAC by way of the ICANN > In other words, *LACRALO* does not and cannot exist absent an ICANN > bye-law mandated action of the ALAC. > > The MOU states clearly the joint commitments, *singly and severally*, of > the parties to it. > > The MOU, as signed, binds ICANN to six (6) commitments to the *LACRALO*. > > In turn, the ALSes labeled LACRALO, meaning all of us who signed the MOU, > binds us, *singly and severally*, to five (5) distinct actions along > with ICANN in pursuit of our joint commitments . > > The truth is there is a gulf of a difference between the general Latin > American and Caribbean understanding of the meaning of the word > in context. > > As far back as 2006, we have invited and had interventions from ICANN > legal staff to explain this. I am on the record repeatedly, attempting to > align the facts with the general understanding. My last time was at Costa > Rica. I was responding to the contents of a document filed with the > Secretariat and comments in the General Assembly. And for my troubles, I > was condemned as a liar in several places. The recordings and transcripts > are all available for those who would wish details. > > The records will show Cintra Sooknanan, a lawyer, has also pointed out the > misuse of the term. So too, Lance Hinds and Roosevelt King. > > From my reading of her writings and interventions, I believe Fatima > Cambronera well understands the differences. > > LACRALO is not and may not be 'sovereign'. Everything we might wish to do > in context of names and numbers policy advocacy, advice and development is > informed and limited by the signed MOU, which is itself subject to the > powers and scope granted by the ICANN bye-laws and the LACRALO Rules of > Procedure. > > LACRALO may, if it so chooses, change its rules. The process to do so is > described in its Rules of Procedure. And even if there was a move to > the rules of procedure, you must follow the process as defined in the > rules. Lawyers and courts have a Latin term, 'ultra vires', to describe > actions contrary to established rules. > > Here's the compelling one. LACRALO cannot change ICANN bye-laws. And so > any rule change that undermines or rubbishes ICANN bye-laws would make > LACRALO a rogue and outside the parameters granted by the ICANN MOU. > > If this ever happens, any signatory to the MOU, meaning any ALS, has > standing and a duty of care to petition for grievance in this respect. And > ICANN is duty bound to respond and act as the MOU and its bye-law compels > it so to do. > > Best, > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/f2ce06287d.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: RES: OP De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Fray Carlos: Los hombres razonables siempre se puede estar en desacuerdo y seguir siendo agradable. No estamos de acuerdo en este tema. De todos modos, todavía disfruto de mi respeto y afecto. Mejor, - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= El mar, 14 de agosto 2012 a las 9:25 AM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com escribió: > My Dear Bro: On this opportunity I can`t share with you. I insist in my > position* LACRALO is: independent and soverign*. As you said in your > (wrong,for me ) interpretation, LACRALO can give rules itself and changes > the same, so it shows it completely independent, dont have to respond to > anybody. This sentence is clear: *"This Memorandum of understanding > ("MOU")defines an agreement between the Signing Organizations and the > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Its intent is to > establish, and define activities to be carried out by, the Latin America & > Caribbean Regional At-Large Large Organization, and supported by ICANN."* > *ICANN is another organization* as showed the paragraph before. For that > reason we have a *MoU, because there are two organizations* related by > this kind of contract or agreement. > ICANN is based on the California Law, thats true, but this only affect the > relationship with LACRALO, if LACRALO adopt some directive against this > legal body (CAlifornia law). if not, MoU between two different organization > remains alive in force. > *LACRALO is constituted by Organizations*, and the *government body is it > GA*, wich is *one delegate by each organization*. This is the explanation > of the *"Signing Organizations" *sentence*. * > Now LACRALO is supported by ICANN, according MoU, but this could change in > the future, and *LACRALO* could follow being an *organization independent*, > and *the most important: this was the idea .* > *The idea from the begining was to have an independent organization in > LAC region composed by End User*s, that was the motivation of LACRALO. We > are not part of ICANN, wich could be the sense of that? > *ICANN and the multistackeholder model no need uniformity*. And to build > a diverse & democratic ecosystem ICANN need differents oppinion from > different groups of opinion. LACRALO is one of them, composed by End Users > organizations by LAC region. *ICANN need a LACRALO independent and > soverign*. > My personal opinion on that. > > A warm, big and strong hug to you. > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > ------------------------------ > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:41:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > 2012/8/10 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > > :rule that you mention doesnt apply in this case, because we have a > specific rule. Ón the othe side LACRALO is not part of ICÁNN we only have > a MOU signed, but we are independent of ICÁNN rules. > > Regards > > ================================ > My brother Carlos: > See the highlighted portion of your text, as translated. In this case, I > believe the interpretation is incorrect. > > Your interpretation that LACRALO is 'independent' of ICANN rules is widely > held in Latin America. Without a doubt, I believe it is responsible for > declarations such as 'LACRALO is sovereign'. > > Now, lawyers can and do disagree in interpretation of statute or > documents. Case law confirms this situation. Add to this and in this > context, the differences in legal histories and interpretative mechanisms > of so-called 'common law' countries as in the Caribbean versus 'civil law' > countries as predominant in Latin America. Here is a perfect example and > another such case. > > ICANN's premise is well defined in law. It exists as a 'public benefit' > corporation under the laws of the state of California. When it registered > as a legal entity, it filed its bye-laws with the State. Those bye-laws > filed and accepted by the State of California binds and empowers its > operations and actions. > > This means ICANN's actions are only legal and enforceable to the extent > they comply with its bye-laws. > > LACRALO's premise is defined by the MOU signed with ICANN. That MOU is > subject to the ICANN bye-laws; ICANN cannot make binding agreements that > are injurious to its bye-laws. > > This is the text that describes the "Purpose and Scope" of LACRALO in the > MOU signed with ICANN: > "This Memorandum of understanding ("MOU")defines an agreement between the > Signing Organizations and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers. Its intent is to establish, and define activities to be carried > out by, the Latin America & Caribbean Regional At-Large Large > Organization, and supported by ICANN." > > Note the term *"Signing Organisations"*. > > Here's the definition of said 'Signing Organisations': "Organizations in > the Latin America & Caribbean region certified by the ALAC as At-Large > Structures that are signatories to this MOU.". > > It is the *signing organisations*, meaning the ALSes, that enjoy the legal > relationship with ICANN. In other words, LACRALO is purely a label for > ease of reference that means 'all of us ALSes, acting together'. > > The certification requirement for ALSes poses another hurdle. The power to > accept and certify ALSes is ceded to the ALAC by way of the ICANN bye-laws. > In other words, *LACRALO* does not and cannot exist absent an ICANN > bye-law mandated action of the ALAC. > > The MOU states clearly the joint commitments, *singly and severally*, of > the parties to it. > > The MOU, as signed, binds ICANN to six (6) commitments to the *LACRALO*. > > In turn, the ALSes labeled LACRALO, meaning all of us who signed the MOU, > binds us, *singly and severally*, to five (5) distinct actions along > with ICANN in pursuit of our joint commitments . > > The truth is there is a gulf of a difference between the general Latin > American and Caribbean understanding of the meaning of the word 'sovereign' > in context. > > As far back as 2006, we have invited and had interventions from ICANN > legal staff to explain this. I am on the record repeatedly, attempting to > align the facts with the general understanding. My last time was at Costa > Rica. I was responding to the contents of a document filed with the > Secretariat and comments in the General Assembly. And for my troubles, I > was condemned as a liar in several places. The recordings and transcripts > are all available for those who would wish details. > > The records will show Cintra Sooknanan, a lawyer, has also pointed out the > misuse of the term. So too, Lance Hinds and Roosevelt King. > > From my reading of her writings and interventions, I believe Fatima > Cambronera well understands the differences. > > LACRALO is not and may not be 'sovereign'. Everything we might wish to do > in context of names and numbers policy advocacy, advice and development is > informed and limited by the signed MOU, which is itself subject to the > powers and scope granted by the ICANN bye-laws and the LACRALO Rules of > Procedure. > > LACRALO may, if it so chooses, change its rules. The process to do so is > described in its Rules of Procedure. And even if there was a move to change > the rules of procedure, you must follow the process as defined in the > rules. Lawyers and courts have a Latin term, 'ultra vires', to describe > actions contrary to established rules. > > Here's the compelling one. LACRALO cannot change ICANN bye-laws. And so > any rule change that undermines or rubbishes ICANN bye-laws would make > LACRALO a rogue and outside the parameters granted by the ICANN MOU. > > If this ever happens, any signatory to the MOU, meaning any ALS, has > standing and a duty of care to petition for grievance in this respect. And > ICANN is duty bound to respond and act as the MOU and its bye-law compels > it so to do. > > Best, > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4a5982eb7d.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: OP
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com Aug. 15, 2012

Aug. 15, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: RES: OP De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Corea del Sur: Su falta de respeto es increíble, y no es mi manera de comportarme. Así que, como usted ha dicho: nuestras posiciones están muy lejos. Lamentablemente, su falta de capacidad para discutir y su falta de conocimiento sobre este asunto, ciego por su ignorancia, me hacen dar fin a esta discusión. Cuando usted será capaz de discutir en forma civilizada, dime y tal vez podemos continuar. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > From: rok(a)bango.org.bb > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:25:16 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > What took you so long to realise that we are on all fours here? The reality of the law of association is that LACRALO is not independent and sovereign, but you insist that it is. The reality of the association between LACRALO and icann is that LACRALO is a satellite of ICANN but you insist that it is not. Were you asleep when you signed? > > Furthermore, in this relationship a few people cannot decide what LACRALO is after the fact and any attempt to take it in another direction will be contrary to the rights of those who signed the MoU and you will not be acting as LACRALO but as yourselves. > > ROK > > From: carlos dionisio aguirre > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:44 PM > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb ; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > ROK: with all my respect I ask sorry to your intelligence, and please ask if (your intelligence) could say to me what is the foundation of it position about LACRALO and why consider is not independent and soverign. > Sorry again for what you consider an insult, I only wanted to give my position about that. > On the other side : If you consider an insult my position about a determinate issue, > I can consider your actitude like a disrespect, maximum when you appeal to discredit but without foundation. > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > > From: rok(a)bango.org.bb > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:33:40 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > > > Offensive? I find it an insult to my intelligence when LACRALO is described > > as sovereign and independent. > > > > ROK > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:23 PM > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > Subject: Re: RES: OP > > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > > > > I think any discussion in LACRALO opinin justifies this > > magnitude. What estviendo least here, is the anxiety of travel, and are > > facts that have been demonstrated. > > As always, please pour opinions, please apply well > > justify it. Otherwise, exemplify, we consider a > > all with the same yardstick. It is highly offensive. > > And definitely the worst I've seen input to ICANN. > > Regards > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > > rok(a)bango.org.bb > > Posted on: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:48 pm > > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > > > > > > > > > [[- Translated text (in -> en) -]] > > > > > > Subject: Re: RES: OP > > From: rok(a)bango.org.bb > > > > > > Some people want a car to take a truck load. All this > > LACRALO talk about being independent is a nonsense. We must begin > > with the reason why LACRALO is established. It was not a club or party > > political. Comenzcon the objective is to get tickets especfico > > Caribbean and Latin America Internet users, not for us to > > by sb walk out happy. > > > > > > > > > > It seems that there are some who want to appropriate LACRALO to make it > > we want to be. When that day LACRALO is no longer relevant to the > > ICANN, I hope it passes Caribbean peticin Renen and ICANN > > to make direct contributions to ICANN and to leave Los Angeles to continue > > its merry way to nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > LACRALO has lost focus and has entered into a desert politician steep > > where to vote in favor of the officials is the prize ... and where > > people are pushed to the charges if their lives depend on it. > > > > > > > > > > Depressing! > > > > > > > > > > South Korea > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > Posted on: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:25 > > To: Carlton Samuels > > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dear Brother: At this time I can `t share with you. > > I insist on my position LACRALO is independent and sovereign. As you > > said in his (evil, for me) the interpretation, LACRALO can give rules > > s and changes in it, so it is shown fully > > independent, not answerable to anyone. This phrase is clear: > > "This Memorandum of Understanding > > ("MOU") defines an agreement between the signatory organizations > > and > > the Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Its > > intention is to establish and define the activities to be carried out, > > the Latin American and Caribbean Regional At-Large great > > organization, supported by ICANN. " > > ICANN is another organization as shown in the previous paragraph. To > > that reason we have a memorandum of understanding, because there are two > > organizations connected with this type of contract or agreement. > > ICANN is based on California law, that is true, but this only > > affects the relationship with LACRALO if LACRALO against taking any > > the directive body of law (California law). if not, memorandum of > > understanding between two different organizations is still alive in > > strength. > > LACRALO consists of organizations and the governing body > > is GA, which is a delegate for each organization. This is the explanation > > of "The signing of the organizations" sentence. > > Now LACRALO with the support of ICANN, as the memorandum of understanding, > > but this may change in the future, and could remain LACRALO a > > independent, and most importantly, this was the idea. > > The idea from the beginning was to have an independent organization in > > Latin America region made by end users, which was the > > LACRALO motivation.We are not part of ICANN, which could > > be the meaning of that? > > ICANN multistackeholder model and there is no need for uniformity. And > > to build a democratic and diverse ecosystem of ICANN needs > > OPINION different to the different focus groups. LACRALO is one of > > them, consisting of end-user organizations in the region of > > LAC. ICANN needs an independent and Sovereign LACRALO. > > My personal opinion about it. > > > > > > > > > > A big hug, big and strong for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former member of ALAC for LACRALO > > Lawyer - Specialist Business Law Sarmiento 71 - 4th. 18 > > Cordoba - Argentina - > > * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: carlton.samuels @ gmail.com > > Date: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:41:48 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: OP > > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08/10/2012 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : The government that you mention does not apply in this case, because we > > a specific standard. n the other side I LACRALO is not part of ICNN only > > we have a Memorandum of Understanding signed, but are independent > > standards of ICNN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================ > > > > > > > > > > My brother Carlos: See the highlighted portion of text, according to the > > translation. > > In this case, I think the interpretation is incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LACRALO its interpretation that is "independent" of the > > ICANN standards is widely held in Latin America. Without > > doubt, I think is responsible for statements such as "LACRALO > > is sovereign. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, lawyers can and do disagree on the > > interpretation of the law or documents. > > The case law confirms this. Add to this and in this > > context, differences in the stories and legal mechanisms > > interpretation of the so-called 'common law' countries and countries > > 'Civil right' Front predominantly Latin American Caribbean. This is > > a perfect example and such other case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ICANN premise is well defined in the law. It exists as a > > 'Public benefit' > > corporation under the laws of the State of California. When registering > > as a legal entity, it filed its application with the texts > > State.These bye-laws submitted and accepted by the State of California > > unites and strengthens its operations and actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means that the actions of ICANN are legal and enforceable only in the > > as to comply with its implementing legislation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LACRALO premise is defined by the Memorandum of Understanding signed with > > the MOU ICANN.Ese > > subject to the ICANN bylaws, ICANN can not make binding agreements > > are > > detrimental to its implementing legislation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the text describing the "Purpose and Scope > > application "of LACRALO in > > Memorandum of Understanding signed with ICANN: > > > > > > > > > > "This Memorandum of Understanding (" MOU ") defines a > > agreement between the > > The signing of the organizations and the Internet Corporation for Assigned > > Names > > and > > Numbers.Its purpose is to establish and define the activities > > carried out > > for Latin America and the Caribbean Regional At-Large great organization, > > and > > supported by ICANN. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note the word * "Organizations signing" *. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the definition of that "The signing of the > > Organizations ":" Organizations of the > > Latin America and the Caribbean, certified by the ALAC and At-Large > > Structures that are signatories to this MOU. ". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the signature * organizations *, ie, ALS, which > > enjoy the legal > > relationship with ICANN. In other words, is purely an LACRALO > > tag for ease > > reference, which means "all of us, ALS, acting > > together ". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ALS certification requirement represents another obstÃ¡culo.La > > power > > accept and certify ALS is transferred to the ALAC through texts > > implementation of ICANN. > > In other words, * not * LACRALO can not exist absent a > > text of application of the ICANN > > mandate of the action of the ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The MOU states clearly the commitments > > sets, ** jointly and severally, the > > parties to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Memorandum of Understanding, signed, joins ICANN to six (6) the > > commitments to LACRALO **. > > In turn, labeling LACRALO ALS, ie those who signed the > > Memorandum of Understanding > > joins us, * and * jointly alone, five (5) shares > > different, with > > ICANN in the pursuit of our joint commitments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is that there is a gulf of difference between America in general > > America and the Caribbean to understand the meaning of the > > "Sovereign" of the word > > in context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2006, we invited and had legal interventions ICANN > > staff to explain this. I'm on the record several times, trying > > aligning > > the facts with general knowledge. My last time was in Costa Rica. > > I > > was responding to the contents of a document filed with the > > Secretariat and > > Assembly General.Y comments to my problems, I was condemned as > > a > > lying in several places. The recordings and transcripts are > > available for > > those wishing to learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Records show Sooknanan Cintra, a lawyer, has also indicated > > the > > misuse of the word. Also, Lance Hinds and King of Roosevelt. > > > A partir de mi lectura de sus escritos e intervenciones, creo que FÃ¡tima > > > Cambronera entiende muy bien las diferencias. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > context of the names and numbers of the promotion policy, > > counseling and development is > > informed and limited by the MOU signing, which in turn > > is subject to > > powers and the extent granted by the ICANN bylaws and Regulations > > LACRALO > > Procedure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LACRALO may, if it so chooses, to change its rules. The process for > > it is > > described in the Regulations. And even if there was a movement to change > > rules of procedure, you must follow the process as defined in > > the rules. > > The lawyers and the courts have a Latin term, "ultra > > vires "to describe the actions > > contrary to the rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's the attraction. LACRALO can not change the texts of > > implementation of ICANN.And so any > > rule change that affects or filth of ICANN texts > > application would make a LACRALO > > rogue and outside the parameters provided by the ICANN Memorandum of > > Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this happens, any signatory of the Memorandum of > > Understanding, that is, any commonwealth, has > > standing and a duty of care complaint petition in this regard. And > > ICANN has a duty to respond and act as the Memorandum of > > Understanding and application text requires > > so to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, - Carlton > > ============================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlton Samuels A > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > Strategy, Planning, Government, Evaluation and deadlines > > ============================= > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/f55eb8d553.html --]]

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