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Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
by ICANN At-Large Staff April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

Dear Luis Antonio Burbano: ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform you that the Ecuadorian Association for Free Software has been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC greatly appreciates your group’s interest in involving individual users in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues. The purpose of ALS certification is to recognize that your organization meets the necessary criteria to involve individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN activities, and that your organization will support its individual members' informed participation in ICANN efforts that affect end-users. The ALAC is eager to promote a productive working relationship between your organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (and ICANN in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be greatly appreciated. We would like to offer some initial tools to help your organization keep its members informed (about significant news from ICANN and information on ICANN policy-development efforts) and engaged in activities of interest: - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org identifying the names and email addresses of one or two individuals who will be the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If this changes, please let us know. - At Large Mailing Lists. There are many At Large email lists, for each region; you can signup for them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo . The points of contact you identify will automatically be added to your region’s list just for accredited ALSes to discuss regional issues and to the mailing list for Staff announcements (only Staff can post messages to that list); you are invited to join others as you wish. - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable individuals interested in your group's activities to contact you, and to encourage cooperation with other groups interested in ICANN activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of this note to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. - ALAC website. The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to individual Internet users. We encourage you to provide your members with a link. The ALAC relies on volunteers to translate information into multiple languages. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and should be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki webpages also have been created to distribute information (including in local languages) on activities, events and issues of particular interest to people in each region. These are maintained by the community. They are: African Region: www.afralo.org Asia/Australia/Pacific Region: www.apralo.org European Region: www.euralo.org Latin America/Caribbean Region: www.lacralo.org North American Region: www.naralo.org We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to advance individual Internet users' interests within ICANN. If you have any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. Sincerely, The At-Large Advisory Committee www.atlarge.icann.org staff(a)atlarge.icann.org --------------------------- Name: Location (city/country/region; whatever is relevant to your membership): Mission: Member benefits: Contacts (name/s and email address/es -- title/s optional): Website: Other (additional informational you would like included):

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RECORDATORIO - Convocatoria para la Membres�a / Grupo de Trabajo de Indicadores
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: RECORDATORIO - Convocatoria para la Membresía / Grupo de Trabajo de Indicadores De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Estimados miembros de LACRALO, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, el Presidente de este Grupo de Trabajo, ha solicitado una llamada de aviso para ser miembro de la revisión de la retinopatía del prematuro y su Subcomité Métricas de grupo de trabajo. El Presidente está tratando de tener al menos dos representantes del Comité Asesor At-Large (ALAC), además de del enlace de ALAC (ya nombrados) y al menos dos miembros de la región designado como representante de cada RALO. Adicional ELA regional, o Participación de los miembros individuales también se dio la bienvenida. Para ver la lista de Composición actual, consulte https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ. Si usted está interesado en unirse a la revisión RP / Métricas de grupo de trabajo, por favor sea tan amable de declarar su interés (teniendo en cuenta cualquier preferencia por la retinopatía del prematuro, la métrica, o ambos) para el personal de At-Large en: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org~~V por el 06 de abril 2012. El personal de At-Large se añada su nombre a la lista de miembros. Gracias. Un cordial saludo, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisela Gruber, y Nathalie Halcón peregrino ICANN At-Large Personal E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org El 01/04/2012 10:19, "ICANN At-Large Personal" <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> escribió: > Dear Members of At-Large, > > The Metrics Working Group was created as part of the ALAC / At-Large > Improvements Project and approved by the ALAC at their February Meeting, to > be a Sub Committee of the 'parent' Rules of Procedure (ROP) Review Work > Group (see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ) to conduct a review of the > ALAC Member and At-Large > participation metrics, including RALO Member and ALS performance metrics / > measures / reportage. > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr, the Chair of this WG, has requested > a reminder call for membership of the ROP's Review and its Sub-Committee > Metrics Work Group . The Chair is seeking to have at least two > representatives from the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in addition to > the ALAC Liaison (already appointed) and at least two regional members > appointed as representative from each RALO. Additional Regional, ALS or > Individual Membership involvement is also welcomed. To see the list of > current Membership see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ. > > If you are interested in joining the ROP Review / > Metrics WG, please be so kind to declare your interest (noting any > preference for ROP's, Metrics, or both) to At-Large staff at: > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by 06 April, > 2012. At-Large Staff will add your name to the list of members. > > The ROP's > Review SC on Metrics Workspace is available at: > https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ > > Thank you. > > Regards, > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie > Peregrine > ICANN At-Large Staff > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > Dear Members of At-Large, > > The Metrics Working Group was created as part of the ALAC / At-Large > Improvements Project and approved by the ALAC at their February Meeting, to > be a Sub Committee of the 'parent' Rules of Procedure (ROP) Review Work > Group (see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ) to conduct a review of the > ALAC Member and At-Large > participation metrics, including RALO Member and ALS performance metrics / > measures / reportage. > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr, the Chair of this WG, has requested > a reminder call for membership of the ROP's Review and its Sub-Committee > Metrics Work Group . The Chair is seeking to have at least two > representatives from the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in addition to > the ALAC Liaison (already appointed) and at least two regional members > appointed as representative from each RALO. Additional Regional, ALS or > Individual Membership involvement is also welcomed. To see the list of > current Membership see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ. > > If you are interested in joining the ROP Review / > Metrics WG, please be so kind to declare your interest (noting any > preference for ROP's, Metrics, or both) to At-Large staff at: > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by 06 April, > 2012. At-Large Staff will add your name to the list of members. > > The ROP's > Review SC on Metrics Workspace is available at: > https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ > > Thank you. > > Regards, > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie > Peregrine > ICANN At-Large Staff > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b34b3f62bc.html --]]

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Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com ALS que son ineficaces - métricas del GT. Trabajo sobre los procesos para medir eficacia y qué hacer si una esclerosis lateral amiotrófica es un sello de goma, como se pone él. Ha sido una preocupación desde hace varios años. El 05 de abril 2012 7:54 PM ", Carlos Dionisio Aguirre" < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com escribió: > yes , but what happen when they doesn't their work? What happen when the > ALS is only a rubber stamp? wich is the defence of end users on this cases? > > Capacity Building in San Jose was good... I guess. would have been better to > complete the objectives set for our GA. > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org . > > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:33:39 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad > and Tobago Chapter certification > > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > Isn't the job of the ALSes to take information to their members/end > > users and get feedback and send that through to ALAC? So the way for > > end users to do exactly what you are asking for is for the ALS to > > publicise the information and ask for feedback. Isn't that what your > > ALS does? That is the logic behind the RALO structure. > > That's how the due diligence is supposed to be done, and how ALSes > > have also functioned in regard to these applications... send the info > > out, ask for feedback, summarise it and feed it into the regional > > advice, or directly to ALAC. > > > > Seems to me that capacity building and the work of ALSes was something > > that we should have spent a LOT more time on in San Jose! > > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > > <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Interesting. > > > Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. > > > The question is: When the Individual end user of LAC region could > make observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. > > > Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think > we need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds > party) who want to say something over ALS applications. > > > I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our > problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give > opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for > all, and not only for the actors. > > > My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to > do directly with the T&T ISOC application . > > > A thought in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA > in Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > > > > >> From: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > >> To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 > > >> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago > Chapter certification > > >> > > >> Dear All, > > >> > > >> The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on > 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place > from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was > 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00. > > >> > > >> To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is > accredited. > > >> > > >> The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter > was simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and > Nathalie Peregrine > > >> ICANN At-Large Staff > > >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b164f5ff85.html --]]

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Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com El reto de la fase de diligencia debida de la solicitud de la ELA es el la dependencia en el conocimiento previo del solicitante a través de cualquiera de las fuentes disponibles al público oa través de fuentes privadas, en su mayoría a través de uno-a-uno contactos personales. Cuando yo era Secretaría, hemos recurrido a las fuentes como diferentes representantes de LACNIC e ISOC en busca de ayuda. A veces las fuentes públicamente disponibles, como sitios web y demás, son menos que útil. Y fuentes privadas están siempre abiertos al compromiso. Recuerdo en el pasado, por ejemplo, un montón de mala voluntad a una regional de la ICANN representante a causa de su reporte de información negativa que recibió de sus fuentes acerca de un solicitante. Atrapados entre la espada y la pared. Pero por debajo de una rutina forense, esto es lo mejor que tenemos en este minuto. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 6:01 PM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com escribió: > > > Interesting. > Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. > The question is: When the Individual end user of LAC region could make > observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. > Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we > need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds > party) who want to say something over ALS applications. > I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our > problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give > opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for > all, and not only for the actors. > My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do > directly with the T&T ISOC application . > A thought in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in > Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > From: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 > > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter > certification > > > > Dear All, > > > > The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on > 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place > from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was > 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00. > > > > To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is > accredited. > > > > The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was > simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large. > > > > Regards, > > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and > Nathalie Peregrine > > ICANN At-Large Staff > > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/91d581b65f.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by cintra.sooknanan＠gmail.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com Muchas gracias a Jean-Jacques. Mientras que la ISOC-TT no es más que una licencia previa en el estanque de LACRALO, es sin duda alentador contar con el reconocimiento y esas calurosas felicitaciones de la comunidad en general, y ALAC. Mirando hacia adelante a nuestro futuro trabajo juntos, Cintra Sooknanan El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 9:06 PM, JJS <jjs.global(a)gmail.com> escribió: > *Dear Cintra,* > *congratulations on the certification of the Internet Society Trinidad & > Tobago Chapter as an ALS!* > *Best regards,* > *Jean-Jacques. > * > Le 5 avril 2012 06:21, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> a > écrit : > >> Dear Cintra Sooknanan: >> >> ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform you that >> (163) Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter has been certified as an >> At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC greatly appreciates your groups >> interest in involving individual users in ICANN and looks forward to >> working with you and your colleagues. >> >> The purpose of ALS certification is to recognize that your organization >> meets the necessary criteria to involve individual Internet users at the >> local or issue level in ICANN activities, and that your organization will >> support its individual members' informed participation in ICANN efforts >> that affect end-users. >> >> The ALAC is eager to promote a productive working relationship between >> your organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (and ICANN in general), and your >> input on how we can make this a success would be greatly appreciated. >> >> We would like to offer some initial tools to help your organization keep >> its members informed (about significant news from ICANN and information on >> ICANN policy-development efforts) and engaged in activities of interest: >> >> - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org identifying the names and email addresses of one >> or two individuals who will be the point of contact for information and >> correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If this changes, please let us >> know. >> >> - At Large Mailing Lists. There are many At Large email lists, for each >> region; you can signup for them and manage your subscriptions at: >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo . The points of contact >> you identify will automatically be added to your regions list just for >> accredited ALSes to discuss regional issues and to the mailing list for >> Staff announcements (only Staff can post messages to that list); you are >> invited to join others as you wish. >> >> - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared >> with the At-Large community to enable individuals interested in your >> group's activities to contact you, and to encourage cooperation with other >> groups interested in ICANN activities in your geographic region. Please >> complete and email the form at the bottom of this note to >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> - ALAC website. The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org) is a good >> source for ICANN news and information of interest to individual Internet >> users. We encourage you to provide your members with a link. The ALAC >> relies on volunteers to translate information into multiple languages. >> Translations of documents on the website are welcome and should be sent to >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki webpages also have been >> created to distribute information (including in local languages) on >> activities, events and issues of particular interest to people in each >> region. These are maintained by the community. They are: >> >> African Region: >> www.afralo.org >> >> Asia/Australia/Pacific Region: >> www.apralo.org >> >> European Region: >> www.euralo.org >> >> Latin America/Caribbean Region: >> www.lacralo.org >> >> North American Region: >> www.naralo.org >> >> We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to >> advance individual Internet users' interests within ICANN. If you have any >> questions, or need additional information, please contact us at >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> The At-Large Advisory Committee >> www.atlarge.icann.org >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> >> --------------------------- >> >> Name: >> >> Location (city/country/region; whatever is relevant to your membership): >> >> Mission: >> >> Member benefits: >> >> Contacts (name/s and email address/es -- title/s optional): >> >> Website: >> >> Other (additional informational you would like included): >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC-Internal mailing list >> ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal >> >> ALAC Wiki: >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… >> >> At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3710bbfb96.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [ALAC-Internal] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
by Cintra Sooknanan April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

Thank you very much Jean-Jacques. Whilst ISOC-TT is simply an ALS in the pond of LACRALO, it is certainly heartening to have the acknowledgment and such warm congratulations from the wider At Large and ALAC community. Looking forward to our future work together, Cintra Sooknanan On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:06 PM, JJS <jjs.global(a)gmail.com> wrote: > *Dear Cintra,* > *congratulations on the certification of the Internet Society Trinidad & > Tobago Chapter as an ALS!* > *Best regards,* > *Jean-Jacques. > * > Le 5 avril 2012 06:21, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> a > écrit : > >> Dear Cintra Sooknanan: >> >> ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform you that >> (163) Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter has been certified as an >> At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC greatly appreciates your group’s >> interest in involving individual users in ICANN and looks forward to >> working with you and your colleagues. >> >> The purpose of ALS certification is to recognize that your organization >> meets the necessary criteria to involve individual Internet users at the >> local or issue level in ICANN activities, and that your organization will >> support its individual members' informed participation in ICANN efforts >> that affect end-users. >> >> The ALAC is eager to promote a productive working relationship between >> your organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (and ICANN in general), and your >> input on how we can make this a success would be greatly appreciated. >> >> We would like to offer some initial tools to help your organization keep >> its members informed (about significant news from ICANN and information on >> ICANN policy-development efforts) and engaged in activities of interest: >> >> - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org identifying the names and email addresses of one >> or two individuals who will be the point of contact for information and >> correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If this changes, please let us >> know. >> >> - At Large Mailing Lists. There are many At Large email lists, for each >> region; you can signup for them and manage your subscriptions at: >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo . The points of contact >> you identify will automatically be added to your region’s list just for >> accredited ALSes to discuss regional issues and to the mailing list for >> Staff announcements (only Staff can post messages to that list); you are >> invited to join others as you wish. >> >> - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared >> with the At-Large community to enable individuals interested in your >> group's activities to contact you, and to encourage cooperation with other >> groups interested in ICANN activities in your geographic region. Please >> complete and email the form at the bottom of this note to >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> - ALAC website. The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org) is a good >> source for ICANN news and information of interest to individual Internet >> users. We encourage you to provide your members with a link. The ALAC >> relies on volunteers to translate information into multiple languages. >> Translations of documents on the website are welcome and should be sent to >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki webpages also have been >> created to distribute information (including in local languages) on >> activities, events and issues of particular interest to people in each >> region. These are maintained by the community. They are: >> >> African Region: >> www.afralo.org >> >> Asia/Australia/Pacific Region: >> www.apralo.org >> >> European Region: >> www.euralo.org >> >> Latin America/Caribbean Region: >> www.lacralo.org >> >> North American Region: >> www.naralo.org >> >> We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to >> advance individual Internet users' interests within ICANN. If you have any >> questions, or need additional information, please contact us at >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> The At-Large Advisory Committee >> www.atlarge.icann.org >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> >> --------------------------- >> >> Name: >> >> Location (city/country/region; whatever is relevant to your membership): >> >> Mission: >> >> Member benefits: >> >> Contacts (name/s and email address/es -- title/s optional): >> >> Website: >> >> Other (additional informational you would like included): >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC-Internal mailing list >> ALAC-Internal(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal >> >> ALAC Wiki: >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… >> >> At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >> >

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Querida Jacqueline. para mí esta discusión era demasiado, y yo no quiero enfermos a nuestros lectores. es suya la última palabra. bye Saludos. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:25:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > It might be a language thing, but I have no idea what you mean by > "actualization" in this context. > Defn: to make actual or real; turn into action or fact. > How can a vote according to a process NOT turn into fact, if the fact > is defined as being created by the action of voting? > > There's a process, everything was done according to the process, > that's fair and transparent. If any changes need to be done, there's > processes for that too (working groups). > > I don't see how my mind is not open, as I have not put MY pov at all, > as to whether it should be changed or not. I have made no value > judgements, only attempted to remind people what the process is, so > that it can be applied fairly and consistently (extremely important > for transparency) > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > jacqueline. please understand my POV, open your mind, is not a legal > > position. rules and processes need a permanent actualization. All of this > > due to the evolution and the problems that arise in the movement to the > > future. changes occurs. I know there are WG in progress, it gives more > > meaning to what I say. > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400 > > > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > >> CC: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >> > >> Carlos, > >> Please... > >> Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, > >> and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the > >> actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has > >> been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. > >> To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other > >> ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even > >> all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to > >> the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA > >> meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and > >> immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any > >> courtesy email being sent. > >> Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon > >> accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first > >> RALOs were formed. > >> > >> Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of > >> transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in > >> progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than > >> one. > >> > >> Jacqueline A. Morris > >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of > >> > view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a > >> > certain > >> > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the > >> > vote > >> > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to > >> > be > >> > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This > >> > is > >> > TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency - > >> > > >> > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or > >> > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of > >> > Bylaws > >> > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or > >> > violated in > >> > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my > >> > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange > >> > manage > >> > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests. > >> > > >> > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents > >> > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many > >> > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization. > >> > > >> > > >> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > >> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > >> > former ALAC member by LACRALO > >> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > >> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > >> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > >> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > >> > > >> > > >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 > >> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> >> To: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > >> >> CC: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Jose > >> >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. > >> >> > >> >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain > >> >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. > >> >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote > >> >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and > >> >> hence part of the RALO structure. > >> >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at > >> >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such > >> >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of > >> >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to > >> >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating > >> >> ALSes in the RALO system. > >> >> > >> >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by > >> >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to > >> >> participate, and did so. > >> >> > >> >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the > >> >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and > >> >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that > >> >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the > >> >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. > >> >> > >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris > >> >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > >> >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce > >> >> <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión > >> >> > and > >> >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in > >> >> > Costa > >> >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the > >> >> > regional > >> >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was > >> >> > aprove, > >> >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be > >> >> > possible > >> >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no > >> >> > reason > >> >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and > >> >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and > >> >> > publicity > >> >> > was > >> >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have > >> >> > been > >> >> > there. > >> >> > > >> >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list > >> >> > adressing > >> >> > this issue to formalize it. > >> >> > > >> >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. > >> >> > > >> >> > Kind Regards > >> >> > > >> >> > Jose Arce.- > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is > >> >> >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end > >> >> >> users in > >> >> >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and > >> >> >> give the > >> >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to > >> >> >> notify > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can > >> >> >> participate > >> >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the > >> >> >> end > >> >> >> users > >> >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed. > >> >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos > >> >> >> Dionisio > >> >> >> Aguirre > >> >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > >> >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO > >> >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > >> >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > >> >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > >> >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> >> >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > >> >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; > >> >> >> cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com > >> >> >> > >> >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as > >> >> >> well > >> >> >> as > >> >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the > >> >> >> ALAC > >> >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> courtesy. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but > >> >> >> rather, a > >> >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her > >> >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this > >> >> >> reason > >> >> >> as > >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> My $0.02 > >> >> >> Jacqueline > >> >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" > >> >> >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your > >> >> >> participatíon > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous > >> >> >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this > >> >> >> case > >> >> >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your > >> >> >> participatíon > >> >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions > >> >> >> must > >> >> >> be > >> >> >> revised. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to > >> >> >> do > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> correct things. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Carlos Aguirre. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the > >> >> >> general > >> >> >> > >> >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or > >> >> >> staff > >> >> >> > >> >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify > >> >> >> > >> >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some > >> >> >> delay > >> >> >> (i'm > >> >> >> > >> >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this > >> >> >> email. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Regards > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Cintra > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > acceptance of this > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just > >> >> >> > something > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On > >> >> >> > Behalf > >> >> >> > Of > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ICANN > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > At-Large Staff > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev > >> >> >> > Anand > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, > >> >> >> > Olivier > >> >> >> > MJ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Crepin-Leblond > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform > >> >> >> > You > >> >> >> > That > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been > >> >> >> > certified > >> >> >> > as > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > an > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your > >> >> >> > groups > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks > >> >> >> > forward > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > working > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > with you and your colleagues. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your > >> >> >> > organization > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users > >> >> >> > at > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your > >> >> >> > organization > >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN > >> >> >> > Efforts > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Affect end-users. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your > >> >> >> > relationship > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Between > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and > >> >> >> > your > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > input > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization > >> >> >> > keep > >> >> >> > your > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ITS > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from > >> >> >> > ICANN > >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ICANN > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of > >> >> >> > interest: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> > one > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > or > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, > >> >> >> > please > >> >> >> > let > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > us > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > know. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > each > >> >> >> > ' > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of > >> >> >> > contact > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > regions > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing > >> >> >> > list > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be > >> >> >> > shared > >> >> >> > with > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your > >> >> >> > group's > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with > >> >> >> > other > >> >> >> > groups > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > >> >> >> > complete > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to > >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >> >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > individually. We > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC > >> >> >> > relies > >> >> >> > on > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto > >> >> >> > information. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Translations of > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also > >> >> >> > Have > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Been > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on > >> >> >> > Activities, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. > >> >> >> > These > >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > maintained by the community. They are: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > African Region: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > European Region: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > North American Region: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's > >> >> >> > members > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Have Any > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > --------------------------- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Name: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > membership): > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Mission: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Member benefits: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Website: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/6822c0d6b1.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Puede ser que sea una cosa el lenguaje, pero no tengo ni idea de lo que entendemos por "Actualización" en este contexto. DEFN: para hacer efectiva o real, se convierten en acción o hecho. ¿Cómo no un voto de acuerdo con un proceso de convertirse en realidad, si el hecho de se define como siendo creado por la acción del voto? Hay un proceso, todo se hizo de acuerdo con el proceso, que sea justo y transparente. Si los cambios se deben hacer, no hay los procesos para que también (los grupos de trabajo). No veo cómo mi mente no está abierta, ya que no he puesto mi Punto de vista en absoluto, en cuanto a si se debe cambiar o no. No he hecho ningún valor juicios, sólo trató de recordar a la gente cuál es el proceso, por lo que que se puede aplicar de manera justa y consistentemente (extremadamente importante para la transparencia) Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 7:44 PM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> escribió: > jacqueline. please understand my POV, open your mind, is not a legal > position. rules and processes need a permanent actualization. All of this > due to the evolution and the problems that arise in the movement to the > future. changes occurs. I know there are WG in progress, it gives more > meaning to what I say. > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com >> CC: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> >> Carlos, >> Please... >> Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, >> and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the >> actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has >> been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. >> To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other >> ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even >> all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to >> the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA >> meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and >> immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any >> courtesy email being sent. >> Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon >> accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first >> RALOs were formed. >> >> Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of >> transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in >> progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than >> one. >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of >> > view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a >> > certain >> > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the >> > vote >> > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to >> > be >> > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This >> > is >> > TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency - >> > >> > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or >> > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of >> > Bylaws >> > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or >> > violated in >> > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my >> > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange >> > manage >> > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests. >> > >> > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents >> > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many >> > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization. >> > >> > >> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre >> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN >> > former ALAC member by LACRALO >> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios >> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - >> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 >> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org >> > >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com >> >> To: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com >> >> CC: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >> >> >> >> Jose >> >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. >> >> >> >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain >> >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. >> >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote >> >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and >> >> hence part of the RALO structure. >> >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at >> >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such >> >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of >> >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to >> >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating >> >> ALSes in the RALO system. >> >> >> >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by >> >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to >> >> participate, and did so. >> >> >> >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the >> >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and >> >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that >> >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the >> >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. >> >> >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris >> >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce >> >> <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión >> >> > and >> >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in >> >> > Costa >> >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the >> >> > regional >> >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was >> >> > aprove, >> >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be >> >> > possible >> >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no >> >> > reason >> >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and >> >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and >> >> > publicity >> >> > was >> >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have >> >> > been >> >> > there. >> >> > >> >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list >> >> > adressing >> >> > this issue to formalize it. >> >> > >> >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. >> >> > >> >> > Kind Regards >> >> > >> >> > Jose Arce.- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is >> >> >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end >> >> >> users in >> >> >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and >> >> >> give the >> >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to >> >> >> notify >> >> >> the >> >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can >> >> >> participate >> >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the >> >> >> end >> >> >> users >> >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed. >> >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos >> >> >> Dionisio >> >> >> Aguirre >> >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN >> >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO >> >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios >> >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - >> >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 >> >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com >> >> >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com >> >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; >> >> >> cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what >> >> >> I >> >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as >> >> >> well >> >> >> as >> >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the >> >> >> ALAC >> >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply >> >> >> a >> >> >> courtesy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but >> >> >> rather, a >> >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her >> >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this >> >> >> reason >> >> >> as >> >> >> well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My $0.02 >> >> >> Jacqueline >> >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" >> >> >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your >> >> >> participatíon >> >> >> in >> >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous >> >> >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this >> >> >> case >> >> >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your >> >> >> participatíon >> >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions >> >> >> must >> >> >> be >> >> >> revised. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to >> >> >> do >> >> >> the >> >> >> correct things. >> >> >> >> >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Carlos Aguirre. >> >> >> >> >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 >> >> >> >> >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the >> >> >> general >> >> >> >> >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the >> >> >> >> >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or >> >> >> staff >> >> >> >> >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify >> >> >> >> >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some >> >> >> delay >> >> >> (i'm >> >> >> >> >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this >> >> >> email. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cintra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> >> > acceptance of this >> >> >> >> >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just >> >> >> > something >> >> >> >> >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. >> >> >> >> >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On >> >> >> > Behalf >> >> >> > Of >> >> >> >> >> >> > ICANN >> >> >> >> >> >> > At-Large Staff >> >> >> >> >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan >> >> >> >> >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev >> >> >> > Anand >> >> >> >> >> >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; >> >> >> >> >> >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, >> >> >> > Olivier >> >> >> > MJ >> >> >> >> >> >> > Crepin-Leblond >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform >> >> >> > You >> >> >> > That >> >> >> >> >> >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been >> >> >> > certified >> >> >> > as >> >> >> >> >> >> > an >> >> >> >> >> >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your >> >> >> > groups >> >> >> >> >> >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks >> >> >> > forward >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> >> > working >> >> >> >> >> >> > with you and your colleagues. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your >> >> >> > organization >> >> >> >> >> >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users >> >> >> > at >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your >> >> >> > organization >> >> >> > will >> >> >> >> >> >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN >> >> >> > Efforts >> >> >> >> >> >> > That >> >> >> >> >> >> > Affect end-users. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your >> >> >> > relationship >> >> >> >> >> >> > Between >> >> >> >> >> >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and >> >> >> > your >> >> >> >> >> >> > input >> >> >> >> >> >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization >> >> >> > keep >> >> >> > your >> >> >> >> >> >> > ITS >> >> >> >> >> >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from >> >> >> > ICANN >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> >> >> > ICANN >> >> >> >> >> >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of >> >> >> > interest: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to >> >> >> >> >> >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses >> >> >> > of >> >> >> > one >> >> >> >> >> >> > or >> >> >> >> >> >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, >> >> >> > please >> >> >> > let >> >> >> >> >> >> > us >> >> >> >> >> >> > know. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > each >> >> >> > ' >> >> >> >> >> >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of >> >> >> > contact >> >> >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> >> >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> >> > regions >> >> >> >> >> >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing >> >> >> > list >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), >> >> >> > you >> >> >> > are >> >> >> >> >> >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be >> >> >> > shared >> >> >> > with >> >> >> >> >> >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your >> >> >> > group's >> >> >> >> >> >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with >> >> >> > other >> >> >> > groups >> >> >> >> >> >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please >> >> >> > complete >> >> >> >> >> >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org >> >> >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users >> >> >> >> >> >> > individually. We >> >> >> >> >> >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC >> >> >> > relies >> >> >> > on >> >> >> >> >> >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto >> >> >> > information. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Translations of >> >> >> >> >> >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to >> >> >> >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also >> >> >> > Have >> >> >> >> >> >> > Been >> >> >> >> >> >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on >> >> >> > Activities, >> >> >> >> >> >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. >> >> >> > These >> >> >> > are >> >> >> >> >> >> > maintained by the community. They are: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > African Region: >> >> >> >> >> >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: >> >> >> >> >> >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > European Region: >> >> >> >> >> >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: >> >> >> >> >> >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > North American Region: >> >> >> >> >> >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's >> >> >> > members >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> >> >> > Have Any >> >> >> >> >> >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at >> >> >> >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee >> >> >> >> >> >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Name: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your >> >> >> >> >> >> > membership): >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mission: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Member benefits: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Website: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4dc3761009.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Jacqueline. por favor, comprenda mi Punto de vista, abre tu mente, no es un documento legal posición. normas y procesos necesita una actualización permanente. Todo esto debido a la evolución y los problemas que surgen en el movimiento para el futuro. cambios se produce. Sé que hay Grupo de Trabajo en curso, le da más sentido a lo que digo. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Carlos, > Please... > Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, > and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the > actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has > been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. > To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other > ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even > all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to > the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA > meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and > immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any > courtesy email being sent. > Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon > accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first > RALOs were formed. > > Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of > transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in > progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than > one. > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of > > view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a > > certain > > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote > > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be > > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is > > TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency - > > > > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or > > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws > > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in > > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my > > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage > > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests. > > > > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents > > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many > > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization. > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 > > > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> To: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > >> CC: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >> > >> Jose > >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. > >> > >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain > >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. > >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote > >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and > >> hence part of the RALO structure. > >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at > >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such > >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of > >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to > >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating > >> ALSes in the RALO system. > >> > >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by > >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to > >> participate, and did so. > >> > >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the > >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and > >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that > >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the > >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. > >> > >> Jacqueline A. Morris > >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce > >> <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and > >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in > >> > Costa > >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional > >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was > >> > aprove, > >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be > >> > possible > >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no > >> > reason > >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and > >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity > >> > was > >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been > >> > there. > >> > > >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list > >> > adressing > >> > this issue to formalize it. > >> > > >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. > >> > > >> > Kind Regards > >> > > >> > Jose Arce.- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is > >> >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end > >> >> users in > >> >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and > >> >> give the > >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify > >> >> the > >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can > >> >> participate > >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end > >> >> users > >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed. > >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos > >> >> Dionisio > >> >> Aguirre > >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO > >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 > >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I > >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well > >> >> as > >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the > >> >> ALAC > >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a > >> >> courtesy. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but > >> >> rather, a > >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her > >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason > >> >> as > >> >> well. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> My $0.02 > >> >> Jacqueline > >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" > >> >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon > >> >> in > >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous > >> >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this > >> >> case > >> >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your > >> >> participatíon > >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must > >> >> be > >> >> revised. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do > >> >> the > >> >> correct things. > >> >> > >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Carlos Aguirre. > >> >> > >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> > >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 > >> >> > >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the > >> >> general > >> >> > >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the > >> >> > >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or > >> >> staff > >> >> > >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify > >> >> > >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay > >> >> (i'm > >> >> > >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this > >> >> email. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Cintra > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> > >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of > >> >> > >> >> > acceptance of this > >> >> > >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just > >> >> > something > >> >> > >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. > >> >> > >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> >> > >> >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf > >> >> > Of > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN > >> >> > >> >> > At-Large Staff > >> >> > >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm > >> >> > >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan > >> >> > >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev > >> >> > Anand > >> >> > >> >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; > >> >> > >> >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier > >> >> > MJ > >> >> > >> >> > Crepin-Leblond > >> >> > >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You > >> >> > That > >> >> > >> >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been > >> >> > certified > >> >> > as > >> >> > >> >> > an > >> >> > >> >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups > >> >> > >> >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward > >> >> > to > >> >> > >> >> > working > >> >> > >> >> > with you and your colleagues. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your > >> >> > organization > >> >> > >> >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at > >> >> > the > >> >> > >> >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization > >> >> > will > >> >> > >> >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN > >> >> > Efforts > >> >> > >> >> > That > >> >> > >> >> > Affect end-users. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship > >> >> > >> >> > Between > >> >> > >> >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and > >> >> > your > >> >> > >> >> > input > >> >> > >> >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep > >> >> > your > >> >> > >> >> > ITS > >> >> > >> >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN > >> >> > on > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN > >> >> > >> >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to > >> >> > >> >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of > >> >> > one > >> >> > >> >> > or > >> >> > >> >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and > >> >> > >> >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, > >> >> > please > >> >> > let > >> >> > >> >> > us > >> >> > >> >> > know. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for > >> >> > each > >> >> > ' > >> >> > >> >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: > >> >> > >> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of > >> >> > contact > >> >> > >> >> > you > >> >> > >> >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for > >> >> > >> >> > regions > >> >> > >> >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list > >> >> > for > >> >> > >> >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you > >> >> > are > >> >> > >> >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be > >> >> > shared > >> >> > with > >> >> > >> >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your > >> >> > group's > >> >> > >> >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other > >> >> > groups > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > >> >> > complete > >> >> > >> >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users > >> >> > >> >> > individually. We > >> >> > >> >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies > >> >> > on > >> >> > >> >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto > >> >> > information. > >> >> > >> >> > Translations of > >> >> > >> >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to > >> >> > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also > >> >> > Have > >> >> > >> >> > Been > >> >> > >> >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on > >> >> > Activities, > >> >> > >> >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. > >> >> > These > >> >> > are > >> >> > >> >> > maintained by the community. They are: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > African Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > European Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > North American Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's members > >> >> > to > >> >> > >> >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If > >> >> > you > >> >> > >> >> > Have Any > >> >> > >> >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at > >> >> > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee > >> >> > >> >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> > >> >> > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > --------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Name: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your > >> >> > >> >> > membership): > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Mission: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Member benefits: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Website: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/2b0660576c.html --]]

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Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com sí, pero lo que pasa cuando no hace su trabajo? ¿Qué pasa cuando el ELA es sólo un sello de goma? cual es la defensa de los usuarios finales en estos casos? Fortalecimiento de Capacidades en San José era bueno ... Supongo. Hubiera sido mejor para completar los objetivos fijados para nuestra Asamblea General. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org. > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:33:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Isn't the job of the ALSes to take information to their members/end > users and get feedback and send that through to ALAC? So the way for > end users to do exactly what you are asking for is for the ALS to > publicise the information and ask for feedback. Isn't that what your > ALS does? That is the logic behind the RALO structure. > That's how the due diligence is supposed to be done, and how ALSes > have also functioned in regard to these applications... send the info > out, ask for feedback, summarise it and feed it into the regional > advice, or directly to ALAC. > > Seems to me that capacity building and the work of ALSes was something > that we should have spent a LOT more time on in San Jose! > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting. > > Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. > > The question is: When the Individual end user of LAC region could make observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. > > Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds party) who want to say something over ALS applications. > > I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for all, and not only for the actors. > > My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do directly with the T&T ISOC application . > > A thought in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > >> From: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > >> To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 > >> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification > >> > >> Dear All, > >> > >> The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00. > >> > >> To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is accredited. > >> > >> The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine > >> ICANN At-Large Staff > >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/fdc1820a58.html --]]

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