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Re: Proceso a seguir para LACRALO ALAC Miembro Poll / Proceso a Seguir p�rrafo LACRALO ALAC Encuesta member
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Proceso a seguir para LACRALO ALAC Miembro Poll / Proceso a Seguir párrafo LACRALO ALAC Encuesta member De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Sí, espero que finalmente consigue a través, pero sigo creyendo las necesidades del proceso para ser fijada a encajar con el ROP y los Principios de funcionamiento, así como precedente adecuado. Tal vez tenemos que tener los antecedentes recopilados y catalogados, así que tenemos algo más de una memoria institucional, además de los pocos de nosotros aquí desde el principio y los que realmente trabajaron en los documentos y asistido a las reuniones de inicio. Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El mar, 28 de julio 2015 a las 2:07 de la tarde, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez < carlosraulg(a)gmail.com> escribió: > They have proposed a new round of voting > Hope Lance will stay put and go for it! > > > Carlos RaÃºl GutiÃ©rrez > _____________________ > > email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org > Skype: carlos.raulg > +506 8837 7173 (cel) > +506 4000 2000 (home) > +506 2290 3678 (fax) > _____________________ > Apartado 1571-1000 > San Jose, COSTA RICA > > > > > > > > On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lance Hinds <brainstreetceo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > It would be extremely helpful if the President and Secretary to advise on > the basis on which the 'way forward' was decided. Like Jacqueline, I see no > reference in the Rules of Procedure. > > Best regards > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Jacqueline Morris < > jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone >> I scoured the RoP and have not found any rule that says that the process >> must be restarted, per this email. I also have not found precedent in the >> only other case that exactly matches this one, i.e. 2008. Can you advise >> from where in the Rules was this "way forward" derived? >> I would think that we must be very careful to follow the rules as laid >> out, and not go off track, else the process will lose all legitimacy and >> could be seen as a totalitarian attack on the democratic and transparent >> tradition of the At-Large. >> Thanks >> Jacqueline Morris >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) >> >> 2015-07-27 18:36 GMT-04:00 ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >> : >> >>> *DESPUÃS DE VERSIÃN INGLESA DE LA VERSIÃN ESPAÃOLA* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please see below a note being sent on behalf of Alberto Soto, Chair of >>> LACRALO, and Humberto Carrasco, Secretary of LACRALO. >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> In advance of the results of the current poll on whether or not Lance >>> Hinds should be confirmed as the 2015-2017 ALAC Representative from >>> LACRALO, we would like to set out the methodology to be used in determining >>> the results. >>> >>> >>> >>> If a majority (more than 50%) of people responding to the poll, NOT >>> counting abstentions, have indicated NO, then the selection process for the >>> ALAC seat currently occupied by Fatima Cambronero will be restarted with a >>> new call for nominations. >>> >>> >>> >>> Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds as LACRALO ALAC Member for >>> 2015-2017 is confirmed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Alberto and Humberto >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> At-Large Staff >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> Estimados Todos, >>> >>> >>> Abajo encontrarÃ¡n una nota que estÃ¡ siendo enviada en nombre de Alberto >>> Soto, Presidente de LACRALO y Humberto Carrasco, Secretario de LACRALO. >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> Estimados Todos, >>> >>> >>> >>> En adelanto de los resultados de la reciente encuesta relativa a la >>> confirmaciÃ³n de Lance Hinds como el representante de LACRALO ante ALAC por >>> el periodo 2015-2017, quisiÃ©ramos establecer la metodologÃa a ser utilizada >>> para determinar los resultados. >>> >>> >>> >>> Si una mayorÃa (mas del 50%) de las personas que respondieron a la >>> encuesta, SIN contar las abstenciones, indicaron NO, entonces el proceso de >>> selecciÃ³n para el asiento en ALAC, actualmente ocupado >>> por Fatima Cambronero serÃ¡ reiniciado a travÃ©s de una nueva convocatoria. >>> >>> >>> De lo contrario, la nominaciÃ³n de Lance para ALAC para el periodo >>> 2015-2017 serÃ¡ confirmada. >>> >>> >>> Saludos, >>> >>> Alberto y Humberto >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Atentamente, >>> >>> Personal de At-Large >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie >>> Peregrine and Terri Agnew >>> >>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >>> >>> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >>> >>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >>> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >>> >>> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >>> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lac-discuss-es mailing list >>> lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> >>> http://www.lacralo.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > > -- > Lance Hinds > Chief Technology Officer > BrainStreet Group > 287 'C' Albert St. > Georgetown Guyana > > > > > This message contains information that may be privileged and/or > confidential and is the property of BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet > Learning. The information contained herein is intended only for the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to > receive it . If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized > to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or take any action > in reliance to the contents of this information or any part thereof and it > may be unlawful to do so. If you receive this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message from > your system. BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet Learning are neither > liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information > contained in this communication nor any delay in its receipt. > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/834ed507dd.html --]]

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Re: Este intento de poner esta Resoluci�n al Voto
by devtee＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Este intento de poner esta Resolución al Voto De: devtee(a)gmail.com De acuerdo, Carlton. La discusión de los asuntos de política eran de hecho una parte típica de LACRALO pide bajo la presidencia de José Arce y Andrés Piazza. Su nada nuevo. Dev Anand El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 3:31 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Quite apart from an improper process for this resolution, it would be > really bad if I allowed the new members to think this resolution is cross a > new frontier. > > I have been here from the beginning. I have never lurked on the list. I > may have abstained from a vote only once since 2006. Knowing the Rules of > Procedure is a singular duty of the Chair. So I am very surprised to see > such a bald attempt to delegate this base requirement of leadership. > > There were two youngsters, both from Argentina, who have chaired LACRALO > before now. Their names are Andres Piazza and Jose Arce. > > When those fellows chaired LACRALO, the discussion of policy matters were > standard agenda items for monthly LACRALO meetings. In fact, LACRALO > representatives to the ALAC had space at every meeting to update the > meeting on what was happening at ALAC. > > Nothing new here. If anything, what we now have is a failure of leadership. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/24c142a044.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ????
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ???? De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Hola Creo que hay cierta confusión. Hemos tenido un par de encuestas de consenso, en 2008 era una objeción a una sola candidatura, ya que es aquí. En los otros casos, fue porque la teleconferencia no fue válidamente constituida, y la lista es el quórum, por lo que la encuesta de consenso se hace para asegurar que el decisión fue quórum. Estos casos son diferentes en la cara, y lo que debería No servirá de precedente para este caso. El único precedente a considerar debe ser el 2008 uno. Sinceramente Jacqueline Morris Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El mar, 28 de julio 2015 a las 6:20 de la tarde, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > > Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel > Voting: > > > Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics > applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who > voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. > > > The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC > Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. > > > Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need > make choice for that position. > > > We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision > Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the > case > Natalia Enciso. > > > ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. > > > This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which > no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: > > > Before the results of the current survey on whether or not > Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 > LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara > determine the results. > > > Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the > survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process > of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero > reiniciarcon a new call for applications. > > > Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO > ALAC member for 2015-2017. > > > Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus > we have made a choice according explained, taking three background > Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the > meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was > incomplete. > > > In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the > Voting next steps. > > > In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why > It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. > > > It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not > expressly estn > regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos > in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation > expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting > prior to the community. > > > This is rational only solution we have found to solve this > such drawbacks. > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > > --- > Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. > http://www.avast.com > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ff31dd701d.html --]]

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Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votaci�n sobre Moci�n Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moci�n Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votación sobre Moción Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moción Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Estoy confundido. Lo que "potencia excepcional"? De toda nuestra documentación y normas, el único poder es el GA, que es la lista cuando estamos virtual o los miembros de la sala cuando son f2f. Estos términos son bastante aterrador para mí, ya que parece que hay situaciones en las que la constitución de la LACRALO puede ser anulado o dejar a un lado por un grupo sin la aportación de todos los miembros. Espero que esto no es así. Jacqueline Morris Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear Dev, > > Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", > which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 > weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the > 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish > and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a > significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the > proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed > analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion > without waiting the two weeks period. > > In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the > wiki. > > Regards > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: > > I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto > Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. > > As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall > be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently > in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the > working languages of the Assembly. > > THIS WAS NOT DONE. > > Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion > there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> == EN == >> >> Dear All, >> >> Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisantyâs motion? Formal Motion from >> Alejandro Pisanty: >> >> a. LACRALOâs Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy >> issues for discussion. >> b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate >> of current ICANN public consultations. >> >> * Yes >> * No >> * Abstain >> >> == ES == >> >> Hola a todos, >> >> Â¿Usted apoya la mociÃ³n de Alejandro Pisanty? >> >> a. que la Presidencia y la SecretarÃa hagan una agenda de temas de >> polÃticas para su discusiÃ³n >> b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesiÃ³n mensual se dediquen a temas >> sustantivos de debate de polÃticas en curso en consultas pÃºblicas de ICANN >> >> *Si >> *No >> *AbstenciÃ³n >> >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie >> Peregrine and Terri Agnew >> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing listlac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/09ac4d9701.html --]]

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Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votaci�n sobre Moci�n Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moci�n Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votación sobre Moción Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moción Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com queridos todos Si se propuso el 20 de julio en la reunión, ¿por qué sólo se ha publicado en la lista como un movimiento de más de una semana más tarde? Algunos de nosotros trabajamos y no pueden asistir a las reuniones en el tiempo propuesto. La lista actúa como el GA virtual. Me gustaría pedir un alto en la encuesta para las 2 semanas por regla 11.2 de modo que todos nosotros tenemos los necesarios 2 semanas para considerar la moción, y cualquier cuestiones de orden de los mismos. Sinceramente Jacqueline Morris Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear Dev, > > Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", > which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 > weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the > 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish > and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a > significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the > proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed > analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion > without waiting the two weeks period. > > In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the > wiki. > > Regards > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: > > I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto > Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. > > As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall > be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently > in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the > working languages of the Assembly. > > THIS WAS NOT DONE. > > Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion > there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> == EN == >> >> Dear All, >> >> Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisantyâs motion? Formal Motion from >> Alejandro Pisanty: >> >> a. LACRALOâs Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy >> issues for discussion. >> b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate >> of current ICANN public consultations. >> >> * Yes >> * No >> * Abstain >> >> == ES == >> >> Hola a todos, >> >> Â¿Usted apoya la mociÃ³n de Alejandro Pisanty? >> >> a. que la Presidencia y la SecretarÃa hagan una agenda de temas de >> polÃticas para su discusiÃ³n >> b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesiÃ³n mensual se dediquen a temas >> sustantivos de debate de polÃticas en curso en consultas pÃºblicas de ICANN >> >> *Si >> *No >> *AbstenciÃ³n >> >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie >> Peregrine and Terri Agnew >> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing listlac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e65e0e954c.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by hcarrascob＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com Bien, No estoy diciendo que el español es el idioma oficial. Yo digo que nosotros no tienen lengua oficial en LACRALO porque nuestros principios operativos y RoP decir nada sobre eso. Saludos El 29/07/2015 a las 20:34, BANGO escribio: > My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in LACRALO, Long live the Emperor. > > ROK > > -----Original Message----- > From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:30 > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > Dear Roosvelt, > > Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO? > > Regards > > El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >> "In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You questioning the translation? That does not make you right??? >> >> ROK >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49 >> To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' >> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >> >> I disagree. >> >> Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our interpretation. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >>> Bartlett is correct. >>> >>> ROK >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of >>> Bartlett Morgan >>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 >>> To: Humberto Carrasco >>> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >>> >>> Hi Humberto, >>> The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". >>> Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have to be complied with. >>> >>> I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal meaning of the rule. >>> >>> $.02 >>> >>> -- >>> Bartlett Morgan >>> >>> Sent from my Cyanogen phone >>> >>> On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Dear Dev, >>>> >>>> There is no misunderstanding. >>>> >>>> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this exception. >>>> >>>> I explained the reasons before. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >>>>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. >>>>> >>>>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly. >>>>> >>>>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dev Anand >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>>> >>>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>> > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > lac-discuss-en lista de correo lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/11c983a63e.html --]]

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Este intento de poner esta Resoluci�n al Voto
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Este intento de poner esta Resolución al Voto De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Al margen de un proceso inadecuado de esta resolución, sería muy mal si permitiera a los nuevos miembros a pensar esta resolución es una cruz nueva frontera. He estado aquí desde el principio. Nunca he acechaba en la lista. YO pueden haber abstenido de un voto una sola vez desde 2006. Conocer las Reglas de Procedimiento es un deber singular de la Presidencia. Así que estoy muy sorprendido de ver un tal intento calva delegar este requisito base del liderazgo. Había dos jóvenes, ambos de Argentina, que han presidido LACRALO antes que ahora. Sus nombres son Andrés Piazza y José Arce. Cuando esos tipos presididas LACRALO, la discusión de los asuntos de política eran temas del programa estándar para las reuniones mensuales de LACRALO. De hecho, LACRALO representantes en el ALAC tenían espacio en cada reunión para actualizar el reunión sobre lo que estaba sucediendo en ALAC. Nada nuevo aquí.En todo caso, lo que tenemos ahora es un fracaso de liderazgo. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/83bc1664e0.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by hcarrascob＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com Estimado Roosvelt, ¿Por qué crees que el idioma oficial es el Inglés en LACRALO? Saludos El 29/07/2015 a las 20:27, Roosevelt Rey escribio: > "In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You questioning the translation? That does not make you right??? > > ROK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49 > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > I disagree. > > Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our interpretation. > > Regards > > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >> Bartlett is correct. >> >> ROK >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of >> Bartlett Morgan >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 >> To: Humberto Carrasco >> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >> >> Hi Humberto, >> The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". >> Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have to be complied with. >> >> I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal meaning of the rule. >> >> $.02 >> >> -- >> Bartlett Morgan >> >> Sent from my Cyanogen phone >> >> On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Dev, >>> >>> There is no misunderstanding. >>> >>> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this exception. >>> >>> I explained the reasons before. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >>>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. >>>> >>>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly. >>>> >>>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dev Anand >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>> >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> lac-discuss-en lista de correo lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7955a557ec.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by rok＠bango.org.bb July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: rok(a)bango.org.bb "En ningún caso" significa "bajo ninguna circunstancia", incluso si usted dice que hay excepciones, las excepciones serían un caso / circunstancia ... la regla dice que, "en ningún caso". No estoy seguro de lo que es tan difícil de que para entender o se trata de un caso de falta de voluntad de entender? La versión en Inglés no confirma su interpretación y, por tanto, no hay manera de que la versión española pudo. El uso de la lengua como una cortina de humo? ¿No es el idioma oficial de Inglés? Los traductores de español tienen que hacer las cosas bien? Usted cuestionar la traducción? Eso no tiene usted derecho ??? República de Corea -----Mensaje Original----- De: Humberto Carrasco [mailto: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com] Enviado: Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 14:49 Para: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2 Estoy en desacuerdo. Por otra parte, si usted lee la versión española, la redacción confirma nuestra interpretación. Saludos El 29/07/2015 a las 19:23, Roosevelt Rey escribio: > Bartlett is correct. > > ROK > > -----Original Message----- > From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > Bartlett Morgan > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 > To: Humberto Carrasco > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > Hi Humberto, > The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". > Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have to be complied with. > > I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal meaning of the rule. > > $.02 > > -- > Bartlett Morgan > > Sent from my Cyanogen phone > > On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear Dev, >> >> There is no misunderstanding. >> >> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this exception. >> >> I explained the reasons before. >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. >>> >>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly. >>> >>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. >>> >>> >>> Dev Anand >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>> >>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>> > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > lac-discuss-en lista de correo lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/436f915bfa.html --]]

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Recordatorio! - Convocatoria de At-Large personas a unirse a la Difusi�n de At-Large y Sub-Comit� de Participaci�n
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Recordatorio! - Convocatoria de At-Large personas a unirse a la Difusión de At-Large y Sub-Comité de Participación De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org De: <lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > En nombre de Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com> > Fecha: Sábado, 25 de julio 2015 uno y cuarenta Para: lista de discusión de LACRALO <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Convocatoria de At-Large personas a unirse a la Difusión de At-Large y Sub-Comité de Participación Queridos Todos, A medida que el ALAC acordó durante ICANN52, el Subcomité de Extensión se renombró a la divulgación y compromiso Subcomité. La Extensión de Alcance y Compromiso Subcomité ( https://community.icann.org/x/cqfbAQ) - El desarrollo de una estrategia de At-Large en llegar a los posibles nuevos miembros de la Comunidad At-Large, - El desarrollo de una estrategia de At-Large de participar los miembros nuevos y existentes y - Trabajando en coordinación con las RALO, At-Large grupos de trabajo, tales como el Grupo de Trabajo de Desarrollo de Capacidades ( https://community.icann.org/x/1Ic3Ag) y el Grupo de Trabajo Estrategia Nueva reunión ( https://community.icann.org/x/h4E0Aw) Si usted es la persona en LACRALO que está interesado en ayudar a At-Large conseguir nuevos miembros y para conseguir que los miembros existentes más que participan en At-Large, inscríbase enviando un correo electrónico staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> el 31 de julio de 2015. Algunos de los elementos de trabajo inmediatos propuestos para el Subcomité de Extensión y compromiso se puede encontrar en la página wiki de Extensión y Participación en https://community.icann.org/x/cqfbAQ Se solicita a los miembros existentes del Subcomité ex Alcance deseen estar en la nueva extensión y compromiso Subcomité para reconfirmar por correo electrónico a staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> el 31 de julio de 2015. Una llamada de la Sub-Comisión de Extensión y de compromiso se celebrará el Lunes, 03 de agosto 2015.Un Doodle será enviado el viernes, se confirmará el 31 de julio por la mañana (UTC) y la hora de reunión más tarde ese día, UTC. Saludos Cordiales, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Alcance interino y presidente del compromiso Subcomité [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/369f3421c7.html --]]

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