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[lac-discuss-en] LACRALO email Translation tool
by devtee＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Estimado personal, todos He detectado que parece haber más errores en el correo electrónico. herramienta de traducción que hace que los correos electrónicos no se traduzcan de una lista a la otra lista de correo. Confío en que el personal de TI de la ICANN sea consciente de esto. Saludos, Dev Anand Teelucksingh

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by apisan＠unam.mx June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Laura, gracias por la declaración Varios de nosotros hemos propuesto con insistencia que todas las ALS deben ser reacreditadas desde cero. Es la única forma de avanzar. Los criterios para ello ya se han puesto sobre la mesa. Nos ahorrará mucha vergüenza en el futuro. Con respecto a la financiación de CROP, hay una solicitud más que ya hemos hecho y que no ha sido cumplida. Dado que el liderazgo de LACRALO filtrará las propuestas, debe presentar una propuesta de criterios, procesos y plazos para dicha aprobación, y hacer que se vote. Con respecto a la propuesta de Dev de enfocarse en extender la membresía de ALS a países que actualmente no tienen ALS, sí, pero continúa reforzando la tendencia para evitar dividir el monopolio indiscutible que cada ALS actual disfruta en países pequeños cuando se trata de votación ponderada. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Laura Margolis <margolisl(a)gmail.com> Enviado: lunes, 5 de junio de 2023 11:43 a. m. Para: Dev Anand Teelucksingh CC: LAC-Discuss-en Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement Dear Dev, Excellent observations and suggestions. Of course our region should reach out to all the countries where there is still no presence, as a priority. I guess that will be part of the O&E strategy. I agree with your view regarding CROP fundings. Also I think we should also work to discredit all ALS which are not more engaged with ICANN for different reasons, so we can have an updated and real list of LACRALO's ALS. I understand Lilian De Luque is our regional's liaison with O&E, but do we have a group working on this? If not, how is our region going to take action on the plan? Best, Laura Margolis El lun, 5 jun 2023 a las 12:53, Dev Anand Teelucksingh (<devtee(a)gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>>) escribió: Dear Claire, According to the ICANN Stakeholder Tool (https://bitly.com/ICANNST) there are 12 countries in the LAC region that do not have At-Large Structures. These are : Antigua and Barbuda (.ag) Bahamas (.bs) Belize (.bz) Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba (.bq) The Commonwealth of Dominica (.dm) Grenada (.gd) Guatemala (.gt) Saint Barthélemy (.bl) Saint Kitts and Nevis (.kn) Saint Martin (French part) (.mf) Sint Maarten (Dutch part) (.sx) Republic of Suriname (.sr) Outreach should therefore be targeted to get suitable organisations in these 12 countries to join At-Large. Initiatives such as Community Regional Outreach Program (CROP) could be used for such outreach. However, the proposed CROP strategy in the draft document says "1. Whenever a new outreach opportunity becomes available, the LACRALO leadership will send an email to the community, informing them about the opportunity, and inviting members to apply to the CROP. 2. All LACRALO members are eligible to apply for the CROP program. 3. To apply for a CROP opportunity, members should follow the application process: https://community.icann.org/display/soacabout/Community+Regional+Outreach+P… 4, If there are more than two LACRALO members applying for the same CROP opportunity, the LACRALO leadership will invite the community to vote on the selection of the candidate who will be granted the CROP slot" This proposed strategy can unnecessarily create delays in filing a successful CROP application to an outreach event given the need to submit and get approved a CROP application 6-8 weeks before the outreach event. Given that LACRALO leadership will advertise a CROP opportunity, the LACRALO leadership should first reach out to ALS members that are in the subregion of the CROP outreach event to attend. Only if persons from the subregion are not able to attend, then it goes out to the wider LACRALO. Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at https://ttcs.tt On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 1:33 PM Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com<mailto:claireccraig@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear All Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. Claire C. Craig LACRALO Secretariat _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- Laura Margolis margolisl(a)gmail.com<mailto:margolisl@gmail.com> Office: ++598 27066044 Mobile / Whatsapp ++598 99690992 skype: lauri.margolis

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Announcement - LACRALO Secretariat elect- election 2023
by devtee＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]] Dear All, I also concur with Carlton's analysis. However the Tally vote summary at https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 highlights very serious issues in how the vote was done. Instead of the expected 3 vote options, there were 6 vote options, with 3 vote options in English and 3 vote options duplicated in Spanish. The vote summary showed that several people voted for two options while some (like me) voted for only one option. Having 6 vote options with 3 duplicate options raises several concerns : - Because some persons voted twice, the summary totals provided by Tally are misleading because these are not unique count totals. - If someone had voted for two completely different options (e.g. for a candidate and then an abstain option or for two different candidates), how would this be handled? - More critically, were the vote weights calculated correctly if a person only voted one option or if a person voted two options ? Having multiple duplicate options only serves to undermine the confidence of the vote and underscores the need to have open votes so that voting is transparent and auditable. Any vote should only have unique, distinct options and never duplicates. Furthermore, Tally was either configured to allow (or Tally is unable to prevent) persons to vote multiple times. There is mention in the summary that such votes are noted as duplicated (and hopefully discarded) but multiple votes using the same ID should not be allowed at all. Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at https://ttcs.tt On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 10:38 AM <presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> wrote: > [[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]] > > Coincido con Carlton, las elecciones deben de ser a mano alzada, como si > fuese una votación en una asamblea > Saludos cordiales > > *Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN > <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de > Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA > <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet > de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto > <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter: sergiosalinas > <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá > podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan > nuestra * > > * conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano* > > > > El sáb, 27 may 2023 a las 14:58, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > > [[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]] > > > > Dear Staff: > > > > A secret ballot is a change in the procedure for LACRALO. There cannot > be > > a secret vote in LACRALO. > > > > The central idea is for decision by consensus. And every other thing > > follows from this principle. > > > > A vote event is considered a general assembly. In a face-to-face > assembly, > > the entire membership will see who is nominated and who votes. > > > > It is also the right of every member to directly audit any vote. This is > > especially significant in a process with weighted votes. > > > > So with respect, LACLARO may not have a secret ballot or vote. > > > > Best, > > Carlton > > ============================== > > *Carlton A Samuels* > > > > *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & > > Turnaround* > > ============================= > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 17:01, Staff @ AtLarge <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > > wrote: > > > > > *EN: * > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > The Secretary Elect vote 2023 has closed. The results of the vote are > > > quorate, having participated in the vote more than 50% of LACRALO ALS > > (46 > > > ALS). > > > > > > On behalf of Augusto Ho, LACRALO's Chair and Claire Craig, LACRALO > > > Secretariat, we are pleased to announce the following candidate has > been > > > elected by vote in 2023: > > > > > > *Sandra Rodriguez* , LACRALO Secretariat Elect (Term: AGM 2023 - AGM > > > 2025; designated by elections ) > > > > > > *2023 LACRALO Secretariat Elect - Results * > > > > > > > > > > > > *Election* > > > > > > *Options * > > > > > > *Sum of weighted votes * > > > > > > *% of weighted Votes* > > > > > > *number of voters* > > > > > > *% of voters * > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > Sandra Rodriguez > > > > > > 46.012 > > > > > > 68.82% > > > > > > 33 > > > > > > 71.74% > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > Jan Alvarado > > > > > > 21.164 > > > > > > 30.28% > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > 21.74% > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > Abstain > > > > > > 2.727 > > > > > > 3.90% > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > 6.52% > > > > > > > > > > > > *To access the poll data see : > > > https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 [tally.icann.org] > > > < > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc… > > >* > > > > > > *Participants in LACRALO Elections ALS 2023 : LACRALO Voting weights > 2023 > > > /LACRALO Voto ponderado 2023 > > > <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=240617564>* > > > > > > *Explanation: * > > > > > > In these votes, electorates can only choose one candidate, or to > abstain. > > > The vote electorate is anonymous. > > > > > > All results have been posted on the wiki page 2023 LACRALO Regional > > > Selections > > > < > > > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2023+LACRALO+Regional+Selections > > > > > > > > > At-Large staff would like to congratulate Sandra Rodriguez ! > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > At-Large Staff > > > > > > ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community > > > > > > Website: atlarge.icann.org [atlarge.icann.org] > > > < > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/atlarge.icann.org/__;!!PtGJab4!tDPXhqVOR… > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook: facebook.com/icann [facebook.com] > > > < > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.facebook.com/icannatlarge__;!!PtGJab… > > >atlarge > > > [facebook.com] > > > < > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.facebook.com/icannatlarge__;!!PtGJab… > > > > > > > > > Twitter: @ [twitter.com] > > > < > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge__;!!PtGJab4!tDP… > > >ICANNAtLarge > > > [twitter.com] > > > < > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge__;!!PtGJab4!tDP… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > > > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list > accordance > > > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) > and > > > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You > > can > > > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > > > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery > or > > > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > _______________________________________________ > > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You > can > > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by margolisl＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Estimado Dev, Excelentes observaciones y sugerencias. Por supuesto que nuestra región debe llegar a todos los países donde hay Todavía no hay presencia, como prioridad. Supongo que eso será parte del O&E. estrategia. Estoy de acuerdo con su punto de vista sobre los fondos de CROP. También creo que también deberíamos trabajar para desacreditar a todas las ALS que no son más comprometido con la ICANN por diferentes razones, para que podamos tener una información actualizada y lista real de ALS de LACRALO. Entiendo que Lilian De Luque es el enlace de nuestra regional con O&E, pero ¿podemos ¿Tienes un grupo trabajando en esto? Si no, ¿cómo va a tomar nuestra región acción sobre el plan? Mejor, Laura Margólis El lun, 5 jun 2023 a las 12:53, Dev Anand Teelucksingh (<devtee(a)gmail.com> ) escribió: > Dear Claire, > > According to the ICANN Stakeholder Tool (https://bitly.com/ICANNST) > there are 12 countries in the LAC region that do not have At-Large > Structures. These are : > > Antigua and Barbuda (.ag) > Bahamas (.bs) > Belize (.bz) > Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba (.bq) > The Commonwealth of Dominica (.dm) > Grenada (.gd) > Guatemala (.gt) > Saint Barthélemy (.bl) > Saint Kitts and Nevis (.kn) > Saint Martin (French part) (.mf) > Sint Maarten (Dutch part) (.sx) > Republic of Suriname (.sr) > > Outreach should therefore be targeted to get suitable organisations in > these 12 countries to join At-Large. > > Initiatives such as Community Regional Outreach Program (CROP) could be > used for such outreach. > > However, the proposed CROP strategy in the draft document says > "1. Whenever a new outreach opportunity becomes available, the LACRALO > leadership will send an email to the community, informing them about the > opportunity, and inviting members to apply to the CROP. > 2. All LACRALO members are eligible to apply for the CROP program. > 3. To apply for a CROP opportunity, members should follow the application > process: > https://community.icann.org/display/soacabout/Community+Regional+Outreach+P… > 4, If there are more than two LACRALO members applying for the same CROP > opportunity, the LACRALO leadership will invite the community to vote on > the selection of the candidate who will be granted the CROP slot" > > This proposed strategy can unnecessarily create delays in filing a > successful CROP application to an outreach event given the need to submit > and get approved a CROP application 6-8 weeks before the outreach event. > > Given that LACRALO leadership will advertise a CROP opportunity, the > LACRALO leadership should first reach out to ALS members that are in the > subregion of the CROP outreach event to attend. Only if persons from the > subregion are not able to attend, then it goes out to the wider LACRALO. > > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at https://ttcs.tt > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 1:33 PM Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear All >> Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was >> discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. >> >> Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be >> approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be >> considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, >> >> I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. >> >> Claire C. Craig >> LACRALO Secretariat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You >> can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- Laura Margólis margolisl(a)gmail.com Oficina: ++598 27066044 Móvil / Whatsapp ++598 99690992 skype: lauri.margolis

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by claireccraig＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Estimado desarrollador Gracias por sus comentarios muy prácticos y proactivos. Estos serán revisado e incorporado en el documento si es posible y recirculado. CCC El lunes 5 de junio de 2023 a las 11:53, Dev Anand Teelucksingh<devtee(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear Claire, > > According to the ICANN Stakeholder Tool (https://bitly.com/ICANNST) > there are 12 countries in the LAC region that do not have At-Large > Structures. These are : > > Antigua and Barbuda (.ag) > Bahamas (.bs) > Belize (.bz) > Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba (.bq) > The Commonwealth of Dominica (.dm) > Grenada (.gd) > Guatemala (.gt) > Saint Barthélemy (.bl) > Saint Kitts and Nevis (.kn) > Saint Martin (French part) (.mf) > Sint Maarten (Dutch part) (.sx) > Republic of Suriname (.sr) > > Outreach should therefore be targeted to get suitable organisations in > these 12 countries to join At-Large. > > Initiatives such as Community Regional Outreach Program (CROP) could be > used for such outreach. > > However, the proposed CROP strategy in the draft document says > "1. Whenever a new outreach opportunity becomes available, the LACRALO > leadership will send an email to the community, informing them about the > opportunity, and inviting members to apply to the CROP. > 2. All LACRALO members are eligible to apply for the CROP program. > 3. To apply for a CROP opportunity, members should follow the application > process: > https://community.icann.org/display/soacabout/Community+Regional+Outreach+P… > 4, If there are more than two LACRALO members applying for the same CROP > opportunity, the LACRALO leadership will invite the community to vote on > the selection of the candidate who will be granted the CROP slot" > > This proposed strategy can unnecessarily create delays in filing a > successful CROP application to an outreach event given the need to submit > and get approved a CROP application 6-8 weeks before the outreach event. > > Given that LACRALO leadership will advertise a CROP opportunity, the > LACRALO leadership should first reach out to ALS members that are in the > subregion of the CROP outreach event to attend. Only if persons from the > subregion are not able to attend, then it goes out to the wider LACRALO. > > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at https://ttcs.tt > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 1:33 PM Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear All >> Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was >> discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. >> >> Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be >> approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be >> considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, >> >> I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. >> >> Claire C. Craig >> LACRALO Secretariat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You >> can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > >

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by claireccraig＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Hola Dr. Pisanty Gracias por tus comentarios. Espero comentarios como usted ha sugerido. Cualquier comentario recibido será incorporado y circulado, antes de que el documento sea enviado hacia adelante. Saludos El lun 5 jun 2023 a las 11:07 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<apisan(a)unam.mx> escribió: > Claire, > > > no, no, no, this should be pretty clear. You sent out a draft for > comments, got comments. Now it is incumbent on the drafting team to absorb > all comments and send a new draft, with at least 24 hours advance to the > deadline of June 7. This is a basic process issue which should merit no > further discussion. If you as Secretary are not involved the only step left > is to pass it on to those who were, and follow up requiring a new version > on time and circulating it. > > > It is not only my observations that need to be absorbed. The statement > that the plan may be overly ambitious should also generate a cycle of > review, so that the drafters can wirte what the goals are, what happens if > not all are met, so also if not all resources (people, money, availability > of timeslots for meetings, admission into meetings, etc.) come together, > the community knows what the fallback plan is. This is basic planning and > again I don't see why it would merit further discussion. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > ------------------------------ > *De:* Claire C. Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > *Enviado:* lunes, 5 de junio de 2023 05:46 a. m. > *Para:* Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch > *CC:* LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares > *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement > > Dear Dr. Pisanty > Thanks for those observations. Your feedback is duly noted and well > articulated. > > As such, please fill in the gaps in the document as you identified or send > me your contribution to the important LACRALO Strategy with the appropriate > language based on your feedback as soon as possible, so that the document > can be updated and recirculated. > > Thanks for taking the time to review, and I look forward to receiving your > valuable and timely input. > > CCC > > On 4 Jun 2023, at 11:17 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > some observations: > > > > 1. The plan as presented is not framed within either LACRALO's > Strategic Plan for the same period nor (at least not explicitly) to any > other ICANN plans, whether At Large or ICANN-org. This should be remedied > ASAP for a second round of comments. > 2. There are no quantitative, measurable goals (remember the acronym > SMART); this should be remedied by the drafting party. > 3. The plan does not clearly link actions to the "Policy First" Agenda > agreed in the General Assembly of 2023 as well as in the process of > 2014-2016. Every action by LACRALO has to be explained, measured, and > assessed according to its clear causal linkage to policy production in > formal PDPs. Which leads to the next: > 4. There is no clear Theory of Change between the proposed actions and > their effects for the above mentioned. > 5. One goal that must be included is a quantitative goal of bringing > in new organizations as ALSs. There is a perverse incentive for each > country's presently existing ALS to avoid recruiting new organizations as > ALS, as this would divide the weight of their votes by half. It will be > argued that this is particularly difficult to achieve in countries with > small populations, to the disadvantage of those with a rich, thriving > technical and social community around the Internet; still the goal must be > to add at least one ALS per country in the following 12 months. > 6. There is no measure of transparency and accountability for the > participants, as to actually taking up the activity agreed, assessing its > quality, relevance, and impact with the intended audience, and feedback > from said audience. This reinforces the impression that LACRALO refuses any > measure of accountability. So be it as long as it is thought that LACRALO > is an isolated entity. However, this reflects badly on the perception of > the At-Large in general, and of ICANN in a broader sense, and even more > impactfully, on the multistakeholder processes in general. In the year that > the GDC and related UN SG and AG processes are being launced LACRALO would > be doing a great disservice to the Internet governance community by not > being scrupulously disciplined in this respect. So, the plan must include > such measures as well in the next draft to be circulated with time enough > for comments before the June 7 deadline. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > ------------------------------ > *De:* lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> en > nombre de Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > *Enviado:* viernes, 2 de junio de 2023 11:31 a. m. > *Para:* LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement > > Dear All > Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was > discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. > > Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be > approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be > considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, > > I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. > > Claire C. Craig > LACRALO Secretariat > > >

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by claireccraig＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Hola Dr. Pisanty Gracias por tus comentarios. Espero comentarios como usted ha sugerido. Cualquier comentario recibido será incorporado y circulado, antes de que el documento sea enviado hacia adelante. Saludos El lun 5 jun 2023 a las 11:07 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<apisan(a)unam.mx> escribió: > Claire, > > > no, no, no, this should be pretty clear. You sent out a draft for > comments, got comments. Now it is incumbent on the drafting team to absorb > all comments and send a new draft, with at least 24 hours advance to the > deadline of June 7. This is a basic process issue which should merit no > further discussion. If you as Secretary are not involved the only step left > is to pass it on to those who were, and follow up requiring a new version > on time and circulating it. > > > It is not only my observations that need to be absorbed. The statement > that the plan may be overly ambitious should also generate a cycle of > review, so that the drafters can wirte what the goals are, what happens if > not all are met, so also if not all resources (people, money, availability > of timeslots for meetings, admission into meetings, etc.) come together, > the community knows what the fallback plan is. This is basic planning and > again I don't see why it would merit further discussion. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > ------------------------------ > *De:* Claire C. Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > *Enviado:* lunes, 5 de junio de 2023 05:46 a. m. > *Para:* Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch > *CC:* LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares > *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement > > Dear Dr. Pisanty > Thanks for those observations. Your feedback is duly noted and well > articulated. > > As such, please fill in the gaps in the document as you identified or send > me your contribution to the important LACRALO Strategy with the appropriate > language based on your feedback as soon as possible, so that the document > can be updated and recirculated. > > Thanks for taking the time to review, and I look forward to receiving your > valuable and timely input. > > CCC > > On 4 Jun 2023, at 11:17 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > some observations: > > > > 1. The plan as presented is not framed within either LACRALO's > Strategic Plan for the same period nor (at least not explicitly) to any > other ICANN plans, whether At Large or ICANN-org. This should be remedied > ASAP for a second round of comments. > 2. There are no quantitative, measurable goals (remember the acronym > SMART); this should be remedied by the drafting party. > 3. The plan does not clearly link actions to the "Policy First" Agenda > agreed in the General Assembly of 2023 as well as in the process of > 2014-2016. Every action by LACRALO has to be explained, measured, and > assessed according to its clear causal linkage to policy production in > formal PDPs. Which leads to the next: > 4. There is no clear Theory of Change between the proposed actions and > their effects for the above mentioned. > 5. One goal that must be included is a quantitative goal of bringing > in new organizations as ALSs. There is a perverse incentive for each > country's presently existing ALS to avoid recruiting new organizations as > ALS, as this would divide the weight of their votes by half. It will be > argued that this is particularly difficult to achieve in countries with > small populations, to the disadvantage of those with a rich, thriving > technical and social community around the Internet; still the goal must be > to add at least one ALS per country in the following 12 months. > 6. There is no measure of transparency and accountability for the > participants, as to actually taking up the activity agreed, assessing its > quality, relevance, and impact with the intended audience, and feedback > from said audience. This reinforces the impression that LACRALO refuses any > measure of accountability. So be it as long as it is thought that LACRALO > is an isolated entity. However, this reflects badly on the perception of > the At-Large in general, and of ICANN in a broader sense, and even more > impactfully, on the multistakeholder processes in general. In the year that > the GDC and related UN SG and AG processes are being launced LACRALO would > be doing a great disservice to the Internet governance community by not > being scrupulously disciplined in this respect. So, the plan must include > such measures as well in the next draft to be circulated with time enough > for comments before the June 7 deadline. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > ------------------------------ > *De:* lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> en > nombre de Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > *Enviado:* viernes, 2 de junio de 2023 11:31 a. m. > *Para:* LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement > > Dear All > Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was > discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. > > Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be > approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be > considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, > > I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. > > Claire C. Craig > LACRALO Secretariat > > >

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by devtee＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Querida Claire, De acuerdo con la Herramienta para partes interesadas de la ICANN (https://bitly.com/ICANNST) hay Hay 12 países en la región de LAC que no tienen Estructuras At-Large. Estos son : Antigua y Barbuda (.ag) Bahamas (.bs) Belice (.bz) Bonaire, San Eustaquio y Saba (.bq) La Mancomunidad de Dominica (.dm) Granada (.gd) Guatemala (.gt) San Bartolomé (.bl) San Cristóbal y Nieves (.kn) San Martín (parte francesa) (.mf) Sint Maarten (parte holandesa) (.sx) República de Surinam (.sr) Por lo tanto, la divulgación debe estar dirigida a lograr que las organizaciones adecuadas participen estos 12 países para unirse a At-Large. Iniciativas como el Programa de Alcance Regional Comunitario (CROP) podrían ser utilizado para tal divulgación. Sin embargo, la estrategia CROP propuesta en el borrador del documento dice "1. Cada vez que se presente una nueva oportunidad de divulgación, LACRALO El liderazgo enviará un correo electrónico a la comunidad, informándoles sobre el oportunidad e invitando a los miembros a postularse al CROP. 2. Todos los miembros de LACRALO son elegibles para solicitar el programa CROP. 3. Para solicitar una oportunidad CROP, los miembros deben seguir la aplicación proceso: https://community.icann.org/display/soacabout/Community+Regional+Outreach+P… 4, Si hay más de dos miembros de LACRALO solicitando el mismo CULTIVO oportunidad, el liderazgo de LACRALO invitará a la comunidad a votar sobre la selección del candidato al que se le otorgará la plaza CROP" Esta estrategia propuesta puede crear demoras innecesarias en la presentación de una Solicitud exitosa de CROP a un evento de divulgación dada la necesidad de enviar y obtenga la aprobación de una solicitud CROP de 6 a 8 semanas antes del evento de divulgación. Dado que el liderazgo de LACRALO anunciará una oportunidad CROP, el El liderazgo de LACRALO primero debe comunicarse con los miembros de ALS que están en el subregión del evento de divulgación CROP para asistir. Sólo si las personas de la subregión no pueden asistir, entonces pasa a LACRALO en general. Atentamente, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Sociedad de Computación de Trinidad y Tobago en https://ttcs.tt El viernes 2 de junio de 2023 a las 13:33 Claire Craig<claireccraig(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear All > Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was > discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. > > Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be > approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be > considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, > > I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. > > Claire C. Craig > LACRALO Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your > personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance > with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and > the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can > visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or > disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by apisan＠unam.mx June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] clara, no, no, no, esto debería ser bastante claro. Enviaste un borrador para comentarios, obtuviste comentarios. Ahora le corresponde al equipo de redacción absorber todos los comentarios y enviar un nuevo borrador, con al menos 24 horas de anticipación a la fecha límite del 7 de junio. Este es un tema básico del proceso que no debería merecer mayor discusión. Si usted como Secretario no está involucrado solo queda pasarlo a los que sí lo estuvieron, y darle seguimiento requiriendo una nueva versión en tiempo y circulación. No son sólo mis observaciones las que necesitan ser absorbidas. La declaración de que el plan puede ser demasiado ambicioso también debe generar un ciclo de revisión, de modo que los redactores puedan escribir cuáles son los objetivos, qué sucede si no se cumplen todos, así como si no todos los recursos (personas, dinero, disponibilidad de franjas horarias). para reuniones, admisión a reuniones, etc.) se reúnen, la comunidad sabe cuál es el plan alternativo. Esta es una planificación básica y, de nuevo, no veo por qué merecería más discusión. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: Claire C. Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> Enviado: lunes, 5 de junio de 2023 05:46 a. m. Para: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch CC: LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement Dear Dr. Pisanty Thanks for those observations. Your feedback is duly noted and well articulated. As such, please fill in the gaps in the document as you identified or send me your contribution to the important LACRALO Strategy with the appropriate language based on your feedback as soon as possible, so that the document can be updated and recirculated. Thanks for taking the time to review, and I look forward to receiving your valuable and timely input. CCC On 4 Jun 2023, at 11:17 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: Hi, some observations: 1. The plan as presented is not framed within either LACRALO's Strategic Plan for the same period nor (at least not explicitly) to any other ICANN plans, whether At Large or ICANN-org. This should be remedied ASAP for a second round of comments. 2. There are no quantitative, measurable goals (remember the acronym SMART); this should be remedied by the drafting party. 3. The plan does not clearly link actions to the "Policy First" Agenda agreed in the General Assembly of 2023 as well as in the process of 2014-2016. Every action by LACRALO has to be explained, measured, and assessed according to its clear causal linkage to policy production in formal PDPs. Which leads to the next: 4. There is no clear Theory of Change between the proposed actions and their effects for the above mentioned. 5. One goal that must be included is a quantitative goal of bringing in new organizations as ALSs. There is a perverse incentive for each country's presently existing ALS to avoid recruiting new organizations as ALS, as this would divide the weight of their votes by half. It will be argued that this is particularly difficult to achieve in countries with small populations, to the disadvantage of those with a rich, thriving technical and social community around the Internet; still the goal must be to add at least one ALS per country in the following 12 months. 6. There is no measure of transparency and accountability for the participants, as to actually taking up the activity agreed, assessing its quality, relevance, and impact with the intended audience, and feedback from said audience. This reinforces the impression that LACRALO refuses any measure of accountability. So be it as long as it is thought that LACRALO is an isolated entity. However, this reflects badly on the perception of the At-Large in general, and of ICANN in a broader sense, and even more impactfully, on the multistakeholder processes in general. In the year that the GDC and related UN SG and AG processes are being launced LACRALO would be doing a great disservice to the Internet governance community by not being scrupulously disciplined in this respect. So, the plan must include such measures as well in the next draft to be circulated with time enough for comments before the June 7 deadline. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> Enviado: viernes, 2 de junio de 2023 11:31 a. m. Para: LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement Dear All Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. Claire C. Craig LACRALO Secretariat

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement
by claireccraig＠gmail.com June 5, 2023

June 5, 2023

[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Estimado Dr. Pisanty Gracias por esas observaciones. Sus comentarios están debidamente anotados y bien articulados. Como tal, complete los espacios en blanco en el documento que identificó o envíeme su contribución a la importante estrategia de LACRALO con el lenguaje apropiado en función de sus comentarios lo antes posible, para que el documento pueda actualizarse y recircularse. Gracias por tomarse el tiempo para revisar, y espero recibir sus valiosos y oportunos aportes. CCC > On 4 Jun 2023, at 11:17 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > some observations: > > > > The plan as presented is not framed within either LACRALO's Strategic Plan for the same period nor (at least not explicitly) to any other ICANN plans, whether At Large or ICANN-org. This should be remedied ASAP for a second round of comments. > There are no quantitative, measurable goals (remember the acronym SMART); this should be remedied by the drafting party. > The plan does not clearly link actions to the "Policy First" Agenda agreed in the General Assembly of 2023 as well as in the process of 2014-2016. Every action by LACRALO has to be explained, measured, and assessed according to its clear causal linkage to policy production in formal PDPs. Which leads to the next: > There is no clear Theory of Change between the proposed actions and their effects for the above mentioned. > One goal that must be included is a quantitative goal of bringing in new organizations as ALSs. There is a perverse incentive for each country's presently existing ALS to avoid recruiting new organizations as ALS, as this would divide the weight of their votes by half. It will be argued that this is particularly difficult to achieve in countries with small populations, to the disadvantage of those with a rich, thriving technical and social community around the Internet; still the goal must be to add at least one ALS per country in the following 12 months. > There is no measure of transparency and accountability for the participants, as to actually taking up the activity agreed, assessing its quality, relevance, and impact with the intended audience, and feedback from said audience. This reinforces the impression that LACRALO refuses any measure of accountability. So be it as long as it is thought that LACRALO is an isolated entity. However, this reflects badly on the perception of the At-Large in general, and of ICANN in a broader sense, and even more impactfully, on the multistakeholder processes in general. In the year that the GDC and related UN SG and AG processes are being launced LACRALO would be doing a great disservice to the Internet governance community by not being scrupulously disciplined in this respect. So, the plan must include such measures as well in the next draft to be circulated with time enough for comments before the June 7 deadline. > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Claire Craig <claireccraig(a)gmail.com> > Enviado: viernes, 2 de junio de 2023 11:31 a. m. > Para: LAC-Discuss-en; Rodrigo de la Parra; Rodrigo Saucedo Linares > Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] LAC Strategy for Outreach and Engagement > > Dear All > Please see attached the LACRALO Outreach and Engagement Plan which was discussed at the last LACRALO Monthly Call. > > Please provide your comments by Wednesday 7 June, 2023 so that it can be approved for FY 24. If not comments are received, the plan would be considered as final and forwarded to the ICANN org staff, > > I look forward to your feedback as soon as possible. > > Claire C. Craig > LACRALO Secretariat > >

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