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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Resumen de lac-discuss-es, Vol 84, Envío 42
by myaguero＠msn.com Aug. 11, 2015

Aug. 11, 2015

Felicitaciones Harold! Por favor podrias enviarnos el enlace para poder participar remotamente? Gracias! Saludos, Maritza Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Claro. -----Original Message----- From: lac-discuss-es-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:00:04 To: <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Reply-To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Resumen de lac-discuss-es, Vol 84, Envío 42 Envíe los mensajes para la lista lac-discuss-es a lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto "help" en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: lac-discuss-es-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: lac-discuss-es-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: "Re: Contents of lac-discuss-es digest...". Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. 2do Encuentro sobre Gobernanza de Internet para el Desarrollo y la Transformación Social (Harold Arcos) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:31:39 -0430 From: Harold Arcos <harold.arcos(a)gmail.com> To: Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org>, LACRALO <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-es] 2do Encuentro sobre Gobernanza de Internet para el Desarrollo y la Transformación Social Message-ID: <CAGvMe-oF+C-SyGRk6cKhnwrFObhkjS3Ck2XQSVBaOd4RSpijHA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Estimadas y estimados Como les había anunciado semanas antes, hoy les escribo en ocasión de invitarles personalmente al *"II <http://www.internetvenezuela.net.ve/>Encuentro sobre Gobernanza de Internet para el Desarrollo y la Transformación Social <http://www.internetvenezuela.net.ve/>*" el cual se llevará a cabo del 13 al 15 de agosto de 8:00 am a 4:45 pm de este mes, en la auditorio de la sede principal de CANTV en Caracas (Final Av. Libertador) organizado por la Asociación de Usuarios y Usuarias de Internet (*Internauta Venezuela* @InternautaVe) y el capítulo *ISOC de Venezuela*. @ISOC_Venezuela. Una gran oportunidad para comprender el alcance y significado de Internet. Contaremos nuevamente con la asistencia de Rodrigo de La Parra, Vicepresidente de ICANN para América Latina y el Caribe. Así como también contaremos con representantes de Brasil y Argentina. Será un espacio para conocer cómo la vertiginosa evolución de la Red Global coloca a las usuarias y usuarios de la Internet frente al reto de comprender cómo la versátil herramienta está cambiando las relaciones económicas, políticas y sobre todo culturales de las ciudadanas y los ciudadanos, y luego entonces proponerse empezar a incidir en su desarrollo como una vía para la transformación social. *Los temas del Encuentro son: * - ¿Hay un Gobierno de Internet? - Gobernanza de Internet, mas allá de ICANN. - Inclusión, accesibilidad y discapacidad. - Internet como modelo sustentable de negocio. - Neutralidad en la Red. - Internet para el Desarrollo y la Transformación Social. - Gobierno Electrónico. - ¿Es posible quedarse sin Internet? Además habrán tres foros con panelistas: - Foro sobre retos para Venezuela: IXP, IPv6, RPKI, DNSsec Este foro técnico se enfoca en la arquitectura del Internet y la necesidad que tiene Venezuela de poner en marcha diferentes tecnologías, protocolos y desarrollos. ¿Necesitamos un punto de intercambio de tráfico? ¿Cómo se debe realizar la adopción de IPv6? ¿Es importante la validación de origen? Los invitados son: Gregorio Manzano REACCIUN, Nelly Melendez UNE, Elsa Baralt DAYCOHOST, Alejandro Melgarejo INTERNAUTA Venezuela, Alejandro Jurado CONATEL, Jorge Gonzalez IPv6 VE. - Foro sobre la Gobernanza de Internet Este foro es un espacio de diálogo e intercambio de ideas con participación protagónica de los usuarios, el gobierno, la sociedad civil, las comunidades técnicas y académicas. Los panelistas son: Raime Citerio ISOC, Harold Arcos INTERNAUTA Venezuela, Jorge Gonzalez IPv6 VE, Humberto Fuenmayor HUAWEI - Foro sobre Seguridad y Privacidad en la red ¿Puede el internatua estar seguro y protegido en la red? Los panelistas de este foro son: Jose Manuel Andrade CAVEDATOS, Damian Fossi COLIBRIS, Eduardo Méndez INTERNAUTA Venezuela. *También se realizarán talleres gratuitos* Sobre IPv6, DNS (Sistemas de Nombre de Dominio) y Seguridad en Redes. *¿Cómo participar? * La entrada es libre pero los cupos son limitados y por tal motivo, es importante que confirmes tu asistencia registrándote en la página *www.internetvenezuela.net.ve * <http://www.internetvenezuela.net.ve/> *A distancia* Estaremos publicando el enlace para conectarte y participar vía streaming a fin de poder formular preguntas a los panelistas. Sin más, por ahora me despido reiterándoles la invitación a participar de este Encuentro que agrupa a las partes interesadas del ecosistema nacional de la Internet en nuestro país,, saludos Harold Arcos Presidente Internauta Venezuela @InternautaVe @hwarcos +58 04129982820 www.internauta.org.ve www.internetvenezuela.net.ve Algunas referencias de los temas en debate en este II Encuentro http://youtu.be/NsimtNbD1Yw http://youtu.be/QS9lMZl9z8o https://youtu.be/1K-WVS3uIUw <http://youtu.be/QS9lMZl9z8o> http://youtu.be/szar0zFrMa0 http://youtu.be/HU2Vbo_SxIs http://youtu.be/xxK_lYlHCjU https://youtu.be/31LE0bPLrhM https://youtu.be/3DOcc18Bj2U https://youtu.be/tnDxRjMDGQM ------------ próxima parte ------------ Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML... 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entrada solicitada: Sociedad Civil Compromiso Descripci�n y Planificador Delantero
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org Aug. 11, 2015

Aug. 11, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: entrada solicitada: Sociedad Civil Compromiso Descripción y Planificador Delantero De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Queridos todos, Como introducida durante 53 ICANN, ICANN tiene previsto ejecutar un plan para facilitar una mayor participación de la sociedad civil dentro de la ICANN. Un proyecto de la Sociedad Civil de compromiso general y Planner Forward está disponible aquí < https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/54694399/Civil%20society%2…>. ¿Podría usted por favor agregue cualquier comentario al área de trabajo anterior al 04 de septiembre 2015? Por favor agregue cualquier evento gobernanza de Internet regionales próximos adicionales en la Cruz-RALO Gobernanza de Internet Eventos Espacio de trabajo < https://community.icann.org/display/CRALO/CROSS+-+RALO+Internet+Governance+…>. Su aportación es muy apreciada. Gracias. Saludos, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine y Terri Agnew El personal de ICANN Política en apoyo de ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann < https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ < https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/2b715c176f.html --]]

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Re: Fwd: modificado Descripci�n de las especificaciones de retenci�n de datos de elementos de datos
by vanda＠uol.com.br Aug. 11, 2015

Aug. 11, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Fwd: modificado Descripción de las especificaciones de retención de datos de elementos de datos De: vanda(a)uol.com.br Gracias Carlton para este actualizado. Más claro ahora. Vanda Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, CJ 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brasil Línea del terreno: +55 11 3266.6253 Móvil: + 55 11 98181.1464 Lo siento por los errores tipográficos. De: <registration-issues-wg-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Carlton Samuels Fecha: Martes, 11 de agosto 2015 a las 10:54 Para: Lista de LACRALO, "registration-issues-wg(a)icann.org" Subject: [registro-temas-WG] Fwd: Descripción Refundido de Especificaciones de retención de datos de elementos de datos ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega ============================= https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-08-10-en ________________________________ ICANN Mensajes Modificado Descripción de 2013 Retención RAA datos Especificación Elementos de datos y propósitos para la colección / Retención 10 de agosto 2015 ICANN publicó el 23 de marzo de 2014 para comentario público un documento tratar de aclarar qué se entiende por ciertos elementos de datos descritos en la retención de datos Especificación y descripción de los efectos potencialmente legítimos para la recolección y retención de los elementos de datos https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-03-23-en. En desarrollo de los debates en curso dirigidas a alcanzar un acuerdo sobre el alcance de las exenciones de retención de datos bajo el RAA 2013, ICANN publica hoy una versión modificada de ese documento que creemos que puede permitir a ICANN y uno o más registradores llegar a un acuerdo sobre el alcance de los datos exenciones de retención en el marco del 2013 RAA https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/raa-data-retention-elements-10a… lista de correo _______________________________________________ registro-temas-wg registration-issues-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/registration-issues-wg [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/16f63957b0.html --]]

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Fwd: modificado Descripci�n de las especificaciones de retenci�n de datos de elementos de datos
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 11, 2015

Aug. 11, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Fwd: modificado Descripción de las especificaciones de retención de datos de elementos de datos De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-08-10-en ________________________________ ICANN Mensajes Descripción Refundido de 2013 RAA Retención de datos Especificación Elementos de datos y propósitos para la colección / Retención 10 de agosto 2015 ICANN publicó el 23 de marzo de 2014 para comentario público un documento que busca aclarar qué se entiende por ciertos elementos de los datos descritos en los Datos Retención Especificación y descripción de efectos potencialmente legítimos para recolección y retención de los elementos de datos https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-03-23-en. de comentarios públicos sobre ese documento, la ICANN indicó que en el interés de facilitar la resolución de los datos en curso negociaciones de exención de la retención, ICANN podría modificar o completar el documento publicado si ICANN determina que esto podría permitir a ICANN y uno o más registradores llegar a un acuerdo sobre el alcance de las exenciones de retención de datos en el marco del 2013 RAA http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-retention-21mar14/msg00007.html. En desarrollo de los debates en curso dirigido a alcanzar un acuerdo sobre el alcance de las exenciones de retención de datos en el marco del RAA 2013, la ICANN es hoy publicar una versión modificada de ese documento que creemos que puede permitir ICANN y uno o más registradores para llegar a un acuerdo sobre el alcance de los datos exenciones de retención en el marco del 2013 RAA https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/raa-data-retention-elements-10a… [PDF, 295 KB]. [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b3fb72242e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ??????? = UTF-8 2do_Encuentro_sobre_Gobernanza_de_Inte q = q = UTF-8 rnet_para_el_Desarrollo_y_la_Transformaci = C3 = = B3n_Social
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 11, 2015

Aug. 11, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ??????? = UTF-8 2do_Encuentro_sobre_Gobernanza_de_Inte q = q = UTF-8 rnet_para_el_Desarrollo_y_la_Transformaci = C3 = = B3n_Social De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Aquí está a una conferencia exitosa Harold. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El mar, 11 de agosto 2015 a las 1:02 AM, <harold.arcos(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject:??????? = Utf-8 2do_Encuentro_sobre_Gobernanza_de_Inte q = q = > utf-8 rnet_para_el_Desarrollo_y_la_Transformaci = C3 = B3n_Social = > From: harold.arcos(a)gmail.com > > Ladies and > > > As I had announced weeks earlier, I write today on the occasion of > personally invite * "II > <http://www.internetvenezuela.net.ve/> Conference on Governance > Internet Development and Social Transformation > <http://www.internetvenezuela.net.ve/> * "Which will be held from 13 > August 15 8:00 a.m. to 4:45 pm This month, in the auditorium > CANTV headquarters in Caracas (Final Av. Libertador) organized by the > Association of Users of Internet (* Internauta Venezuela * > InternautaVe) And ISOC Chapter * * Venezuela. ISOC_Venezuela. > > > A great opportunity to understand the scope and significance of the > Internet. > We will again be assisted by Rodrigo de la Parra, > ICANN vice president for Latin America and the Caribbean.As well as > we will have representatives of Brazil and Argentina. > > > It will be a place to learn how the rapid evolution of the Global Network > puts users and Internet users face the challenge of > understand how versatile tool is changing relationships > economic, political and cultural rights of all citizens and > citizens, then then start to influence proposed development > as a means for social transformation. > > > * The topics of the meeting are: > > > - > > > Is there an Internet Governance? > - > > > Internet governance, beyond ICANN. > - > > > Inclusion, accessibility and disability. > - > > > Internet as a sustainable business model. > - > > > Net Neutrality. > - > > > Internet Development and Social Transformation. > - > > > Electronic Government. > - > > > Is it possible to run out of Internet? > > > There will also be three forums with panelists: > > > - Forum on challenges to Venezuela: IXP, IPv6, RPKI, DNSsec > > > This technical forum focuses on the architecture of the Internet and the > need > Venezuela has to implement different technologies, protocols and > developments. Do we need a traffic exchange point? How should > complete the adoption of IPv6? Is it important validation of origin? The > guests are: > > > Gregorio Manzano REACCIUN, Nelly UNE Melendez, Elsa DAYCOHOST Baralt, > Alejandro Melgarejo INTERNAUTA Venezuela, Alejandro Jurado CONATEL, Jorge > Gonzalez IPv6 VE. > > > - Forum on Internet Governance > > > This forum is a space for dialogue and exchange of ideas with > participation > protagonist of users, government, civil society, > technical and academic communities. The panelists are: > > > Raime citerio ISOC, Harold Arcos INTERNAUTA Venezuela, Jorge Gonzalez IPv6 > VE, Humberto Fuenmayor HUAWEI > > > - Forum on Security and Privacy in the network > > > Does the internatua be safe and protected online? Panelists > this forum are: > > > Jose Manuel Andrade CAVEDATOS, Damian COLIBRIS Fossi, Eduardo Mendez > INTERNAUTA Venezuela. > > > * Free workshops were also held * > > > IPv6, DNS (Domain Name System) and Network Security. > > > * How to participate? * > > > Admission is free but space is limited and for that reason, > important that you confirm your attendance by signing on page > * Www.internetvenezuela.net.ve > * <http://www.internetvenezuela.net.ve/> > > > *From distance* > We will be posting the link to sign up and participate via streaming > able to pose questions to the panelists. > > > No more, for now I leave you reiterating the invitation to participate > This meeting brings together stakeholders of the national ecosystem > of the Internet in our country ,, > > > Cheers > > > Harold Arcos > President Internauta Venezuela > InternautaVe > hwarcos > +58 04129982820 > www.internauta.org.ve > www.internetvenezuela.net.ve > > > > > Some references of the issues being debated at the Second Meeting > > > http://youtu.be/NsimtNbD1Yw > > > http://youtu.be/QS9lMZl9z8o > > > https://youtu.be/1K-WVS3uIUw > > > http://youtu.be/szar0zFrMa0 > > > http://youtu.be/HU2Vbo_SxIs > > > http://youtu.be/xxK_lYlHCjU > > > https://youtu.be/31LE0bPLrhM > > > https://youtu.be/3DOcc18Bj2U > > > https://youtu.be/tnDxRjMDGQM > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/881660b69e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by berandondeh＠yahoo.com Aug. 10, 2015

Aug. 10, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: berandondeh(a)yahoo.com Como compañero de ICANN entrada en AT grande y finalmente ALAC dentro de un espacio de años fue un gran desafío para mí. Luché durante los primeros seis meses y jugué ponerse al día mucho. Falta de mi reunión inaugural ALAC no mejoró las cosas así. Hice frente mediante la identificación de un miembro de ALAC (Tijani) y adjuntar a mí mismo como un aprendiz. Esto realmente me ayudó a ponerse al día y permanecer involucrado, así como contribuir en donde pude. Creo que los miembros del ALAC, así como se espera ALS para comenzar a ejecutar una vez que entran al redil, pero no se hace lo suficiente para tal vez ayudar a mantenerse en el pliegue. Mi tutoría con Tijani ayudó muchísimo y creo que es un enfoque vale la pena considerar. Saludos Beran "No hay nada más difícil de conseguir y más peligroso llevar a través de iniciar el cambio ..." Maquiavelo Enviado desde mi IPhone > On 9 Aug 2015, at 00:18, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Alan, > I hear you. I can also agree we could indeed categorise and I have no problem with the ones you have defined. We can also agree that a variety of motivations to serve will bring varying performance. > > Like you, the thrill from air travel is long gone for me as well. I do what I must. These days after 4 days elapsed time, I'm usually ready to go home. I have only two pleasure trips left in me; taking that Trans Siberian Express train from Moscow to the Russian Far East and Vladivostok, a trek thru Mongolia. Anyone wants to hand me a travel benefit then those are the only ones that will count! > > As to that 3rd group you staked out, it is indeed irksome they show up, short on even intention to assist in the heavy lifting. I paraphrase that eminent philosopher Forrest Gump; 'representatives are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you will get'. A few ne'er-do-wells will get thru our processes time and again. I see this as a price you pay for voluntarism; what I call uneven results and performance. > > Its like the ICANN Fellowship programme. I can't tell you how many Fellows - some of whom I have recommended - we have tried to engage after the fellowship trip that simply ignore us. For some the fellowship week experience was overwhelming; too much packed in days that are too long. They wonder how I find the time to do ICANN with all my other commitments and interests they know about. A few have even asked me directly if I'm getting paid 'under the table'! But we harvest a few for the long haul. Again, let's manage expectations. We must expect uneven results and performance. > > -Carlton > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > ============================= > >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >> Carlton, I think that there are three distinct categories of people here, and we are merging them together. >> >> 1. There are the dedicated hard workers for whom the travel may or may not be a "perk" at some level. I put you and me in that category. I have logged close to 2 million flying miles (that is, actual flown miles, not frequent flyer miles), and to quote an old song I am fond of "The thrill is a long time gone". I find it hard to consider a trip half-way across the world, where I may get 6 hours sleep, put in a grueling 7-10 days, and fly out again without seeing anything other than a hotel, perhaps 1 or 2 restaurants and the airport a perk or reward. >> >> On the other hand, on rare occasions, I do tag some vacation onto an ICANN trip and from that perspective, it does add a bit of a personal benefit - generally giving me an opportunity to see a place that I might not have done on my own. >> >> 2. There are volunteers who are not among among our heavy lifters (really dedicated workers), but want to get involved. They are the ones that our GAs and summits should be targeted at. They are at the meetings to learn, and try to stay involved after. >> >> 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. >> >> Of course, there are also some who straddle several categories. BUt when they go into option 3, I have a problem. >> >> Alan >> >> >> At 07/08/2015 01:55 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >>> I participated in this morning's call and wanted to level the playing field by enunciating some principles and a framework for our discussions. >>> >>> Let's start with some principles. >>> >>> 1) The At-Large is a volunteer-led and fueled organisation and whatever we do MUST be informed by unassailable facts we know of voluntary organisations plus the psychology of voluntarism. >>> >>> 2) Individuals make the worthwhile contributions, not organisations. >>> >>> 3) There is a wide range of motivations for voluntarily contributing and these must be fed for sustaining worthwhile contributions >>> >>> 4) Results matter but volunteer contributions across the board shall always be uneven >>> >>> So now, the framework for discussions. There are structural issues as well as political issues that must be embraced for any viable solution to emerge. The ICANN/RALO MOU is the source of the first structurally-generated challenge. >>> >>> While it recognizes individuals as the providers of policy advice, it locates individual actions in organisations called ALS. And by so doing suggests that value be given to the organisation. Some RALOs, like NARALO, have developed rules that recognize individual contributions but have shoehorned valuation for contribution into an ALS structure. I'm not now sure what the answer should be but I know what we now have is not fit to purpose and objective. >>> >>> Another structural issue. An individual coming to the ICANN policy development ecosystem is going to become a worthwhile contributor by virtue of mental acumen, penchant for hard work and time in place. Time in place is the common criteria for success. So current arrangements give extra value to experienced volunteers. >>> >>> At the same time, new blood is required to sustain the flow of worthwhile contributors. Here's the thing. Face-to-Face (f2f) ICANN meetings are the best platforms to learn and to become familiarized with this complex beast called the ICANN ecosystem. >>> >>> The effectiveness of a volunteer in policy development is directly related to serial opportunity to participate in ICANN f2f meetings. It is no accident that the most impactful groups in ICANN are a) those that get to f2f meetings as 'volunteers' engaged in compensated work b) Those who have the wherewithal to self-fund attendance at ICANN f2f meetings. >>> >>> The task is to develop a framework that strikes a balance which takes into account the need for experienced volunteers with capacity to deliver worthwhile contributions even as we build capacity in newer less-experienced volunteers to sustain the At-Large participation agenda. >>> >>> The current funding model for attendance of At-Large volunteers to ICANN f2f meetings assist ALAC representatives, liaisons from ALAC to qualified SOs/ACs plus named RALO leadership. This construct seemingly presumes a direct line of inheritance from RALO leadership thru ALAC representation. We know it is a presumption without merit, especially if worthwhile contributions to policy discussions is the objective for the At-Large in ICANN. >>> >>> It is always wrong to think of travel funding to ICANN f2f meeting as a benefit to a volunteer! It is not and cannot be! >>> >>> ALAC representation compels attending three (3) f2f meetings per annum. They are coincident with the ICANN meetings. In this context, travel funding is purely part of the infrastructural cost to fulfill an obligation. Otherwise it is like working for a company that has business far removed from my place of domicile and expect performance without provisioning the tools that enable that performance. >>> >>> It rankles me personally when my contributions in both time and treasure to the ICANN enterprise is neither accounted or valorized. Then insult is added to my injury when some goof equates a trip sitting in steerage for upwards of 17+ hours [the flight time from Chicago to New Delhi] as a benefit! >>> >>> I travel by air a lot for work; the miles are now counted in millions. In the years I sat as an ALAC member + the incumbent Secretariat for LACRALO and as a senior staffer at The University of the West Indies, I contributed my vacation time of 3 weeks to ICANN for attending f2f meetings. This does not count the average 20+ hours per week I normally dedicate to ICANN matters. Nor my personal spend of a minimum of US$500 to attend said meetings! These all contribute to ICANN having a real opportunity to record it is indeed multi-stakeholder, is fulfilling its AoC obligations and has contributions from end user representatives to its policy development. >>> >>> Back in time, I was roundly criticised by some of my At-Large colleagues for my position in dealing with so-called ALAC 'tourists'. This matter came to the top in India; LACRALO representatives to ALAC were accused of abandoning ALAC business for a tour of Indian tourist sites. This still haunts the At-Large in ICANN circles. My firm stand against any sanctions or additional criteria applied for travel support funding was interpreted as 'protecting' the members accused from sanctions for inattention to duty. That was never my objective and it still is not the case today. I just cannot accept the notion that travel funding is a benefit to the volunteer. I shall, on principle, oppose any such notion, howsoever derived or configured. >>> >>> Finally, in the chat we heard talk of a 'reviewer' being appointed. While the roles and responsibilities of such a person/actor is not yet outlined, let us be clear to ring fence and give specific instructions as to what we are trying to achieve here. We must recognize from principles that volunteers give as much as they can to the cause. The contributions in time and treasure of a Olivier Crepin-Leblond or Cheryl Langdon Orr cannot be used as a benchmark for either engagement or indeed, worthwhile contributions. >>> >>> Best, >>> -Carlton >>> >>> ============================== >>> Carlton A Samuels >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >>> ============================= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>> >>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… ) > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8eb01574be.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by evan＠telly.org Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: evan(a)telly.org El 9 de agosto de 2015 03:21, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> escribió: > > Although ALAC Members and RALO Leaders may well fall into all categories, > those tahat fall into category 3 on a regular basis should be dealt with > directly, and the others we have little choice but to accept. At least for > their first term. > a pesar de la conciencia generalizada de la participación mínima, siguen siendo reelegido debido a otros factores. ¿Cuánto tiempo pasamos la recopilación de datos para los informes y la meditación cómo castigar, tiempo que podría ser mejor gastado en la enorme tarea de haciendo ICANN accesible al público global? No sólo perdemos horas-persona directamente de liderazgo no productiva, que pierden por partida doble produciendo tanta energía voluntario (de los "trabajadores") la identificación y diseñar castigos para ellos. Castigos inútil. > Of deeper concern and the ones I focused on when answering were those for > whom we support as ALS representatives. > o regional. (Y esos eventos tienden a ser fuertemente rodeado de encuestas, informes, hojas de asistencia, debriefs obligatorias y otras medidas). De lo contrario, ¿cómo nos apoyamos representantes de ELA? Llegan a votar por su RALO y Representantes de ALAC, que están suscritos a las listas de correo y - muy, muy de vez en cuando - solicitado expresamente por sus opiniones informadas sobre instrucciones específicas de At-Large políticas. (Y por orientaciones de política no me refiero las reacciones instintivas recurrentes a lo que está en público de esta semana comentar calendario.) Si usted va a responder que la participación ALS-liderazgo en Cumbres constituye "apoyar" a ALS, caes en la trampa que Carlton tan bien identificado. * Traer líderes ALS a la ICANN es un servicio a la ICANN, no a la ELA líderes. * La "ventaja" del viaje es más que compensado por el tratamiento de At-Large voluntarios como un centro de costos, y la falta de voluntad de la ICANN para hacer su trabajo accesible en un lenguaje sencillo, una vez que llegan a participar. para bien o para mal, que sea necesario para que la estructura de trabajo ALS / RALO o > reduce its visibility and cost. As it is, it is both expensive (not > necessarily in money, but in time and focus) and opens us up to strong (and > at times valid) criticism > > timidez y, finalmente, la falta de factor que ALAC ha jugado realmente en Las decisiones de política de ICANN. Tenemos que mirar más allá del tratamiento de la ICANN de la cuestión de CFP, sobre la que ALAC hizo tanto ruido y la atención, ya que posiblemente podría, ser testigo de lo poco que se logra en realidad en el cambio Dirección de la ICANN. Así que ... ¿cuánto nadie teme nuestra crítica? Este miedo también nos impide gran imagen verdadera de pensar en cómo apostar servir a nuestro mandato. Antes de que agonizan por la forma de jugar con el organigrama, seamos claros los objetivos. Las medidas radicales que serían necesario verdaderamente re-imaginar el esquema / RALO ELA, para hacer más la ICANN receptiva a las necesidades de los usuarios finales, aparece allá de alcance de la revisión. (Podría decirse que es también una década demasiado tarde, por lo que tanto daño ya ha sido hecho, realmente cuestiono si el daño es reversible.) No ayuda que los críticos tienden a ser despistado y / o sesgada en favorecer de servir a las necesidades de la ICANN para mantenernos marginados. "Si queremos mover el bote demasiado duro perderemos <something> ".... La específica <something> ha cambiado con los años, pero este miedo interiorizado de la crítica se ha convertido en una constante, una causa fundamental de la ALAC auto-impuesta techo de influencia. - Evan [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7d34a0c757.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by h.raiche＠internode.on.net Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: h.raiche(a)internode.on.net Gracias Beran Yo no creo que ninguno de nosotros empezamos nuestra vida con ALAC saber lo que estaba pasando. Y creo que su sugerencia es una muy buena - Vista aquellos con experiencia de ALAC mentor de los recién llegados. Porque, sí, es un reto todos se han enfrentado, y cuanto más podemos hacer para ayudar, mejor Acebo El 09 de agosto 2015, a las 6:05 pm, Beran Dondeh <berandondeh(a)yahoo.com> escribió: > As an ICANN fellow coming into AT large and eventually ALAC within a space of year it was a big challenge for me. I struggled for the first six months and played catch up a lot. Missing my inaugural ALAC meeting didn't help matters as well. > > I coped by identifying an ALAC member (Tijani) and attaching myself as a Mentee. This really helped me get up to speed and stay involved as well as contribute where I could. > > I believe ALAC members as well as ALSs are expected to hit the ground running once they enter the fold but not enough is done to perhaps help them stay in the fold. > > My mentorship with Tijani helped immensely and I think it's an approach worth considering. > > Regards > > Beran > "There is nothing more difficult to arrange and more dangerous to carry through than initiating change..." Machiavelli > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Aug 2015, at 00:18, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Alan, >> I hear you. I can also agree we could indeed categorise and I have no problem with the ones you have defined. We can also agree that a variety of motivations to serve will bring varying performance. >> >> Like you, the thrill from air travel is long gone for me as well. I do what I must. These days after 4 days elapsed time, I'm usually ready to go home. I have only two pleasure trips left in me; taking that Trans Siberian Express train from Moscow to the Russian Far East and Vladivostok, a trek thru Mongolia. Anyone wants to hand me a travel benefit then those are the only ones that will count! >> >> As to that 3rd group you staked out, it is indeed irksome they show up, short on even intention to assist in the heavy lifting. I paraphrase that eminent philosopher Forrest Gump; 'representatives are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you will get'. A few ne'er-do-wells will get thru our processes time and again. I see this as a price you pay for voluntarism; what I call uneven results and performance. >> >> Its like the ICANN Fellowship programme. I can't tell you how many Fellows - some of whom I have recommended - we have tried to engage after the fellowship trip that simply ignore us. For some the fellowship week experience was overwhelming; too much packed in days that are too long. They wonder how I find the time to do ICANN with all my other commitments and interests they know about. A few have even asked me directly if I'm getting paid 'under the table'! But we harvest a few for the long haul. Again, let's manage expectations. We must expect uneven results and performance. >> >> -Carlton >> >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >> ============================= >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >> Carlton, I think that there are three distinct categories of people here, and we are merging them together. >> >> 1. There are the dedicated hard workers for whom the travel may or may not be a "perk" at some level. I put you and me in that category. I have logged close to 2 million flying miles (that is, actual flown miles, not frequent flyer miles), and to quote an old song I am fond of "The thrill is a long time gone". I find it hard to consider a trip half-way across the world, where I may get 6 hours sleep, put in a grueling 7-10 days, and fly out again without seeing anything other than a hotel, perhaps 1 or 2 restaurants and the airport a perk or reward. >> >> On the other hand, on rare occasions, I do tag some vacation onto an ICANN trip and from that perspective, it does add a bit of a personal benefit - generally giving me an opportunity to see a place that I might not have done on my own. >> >> 2. There are volunteers who are not among among our heavy lifters (really dedicated workers), but want to get involved. They are the ones that our GAs and summits should be targeted at. They are at the meetings to learn, and try to stay involved after. >> >> 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. >> >> Of course, there are also some who straddle several categories. BUt when they go into option 3, I have a problem. >> >> Alan >> >> >> At 07/08/2015 01:55 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >>> I participated in this morning's call and wanted to level the playing field by enunciating some principles and a framework for our discussions. >>> >>> Let's start with some principles. >>> >>> 1) The At-Large is a volunteer-led and fueled organisation and whatever we do MUST be informed by unassailable facts we know of voluntary organisations plus the psychology of voluntarism. >>> >>> 2) Individuals make the worthwhile contributions, not organisations. >>> >>> 3) There is a wide range of motivations for voluntarily contributing and these must be fed for sustaining worthwhile contributions >>> >>> 4) Results matter but volunteer contributions across the board shall always be uneven >>> >>> So now, the framework for discussions. There are structural issues as well as political issues that must be embraced for any viable solution to emerge. The ICANN/RALO MOU is the source of the first structurally-generated challenge. >>> >>> While it recognizes individuals as the providers of policy advice, it locates individual actions in organisations called ALS. And by so doing suggests that value be given to the organisation. Some RALOs, like NARALO, have developed rules that recognize individual contributions but have shoehorned valuation for contribution into an ALS structure. I'm not now sure what the answer should be but I know what we now have is not fit to purpose and objective. >>> >>> Another structural issue. An individual coming to the ICANN policy development ecosystem is going to become a worthwhile contributor by virtue of mental acumen, penchant for hard work and time in place. Time in place is the common criteria for success. So current arrangements give extra value to experienced volunteers. >>> >>> At the same time, new blood is required to sustain the flow of worthwhile contributors. Here's the thing. Face-to-Face (f2f) ICANN meetings are the best platforms to learn and to become familiarized with this complex beast called the ICANN ecosystem. >>> >>> The effectiveness of a volunteer in policy development is directly related to serial opportunity to participate in ICANN f2f meetings. It is no accident that the most impactful groups in ICANN are a) those that get to f2f meetings as 'volunteers' engaged in compensated work b) Those who have the wherewithal to self-fund attendance at ICANN f2f meetings. >>> >>> The task is to develop a framework that strikes a balance which takes into account the need for experienced volunteers with capacity to deliver worthwhile contributions even as we build capacity in newer less-experienced volunteers to sustain the At-Large participation agenda. >>> >>> The current funding model for attendance of At-Large volunteers to ICANN f2f meetings assist ALAC representatives, liaisons from ALAC to qualified SOs/ACs plus named RALO leadership. This construct seemingly presumes a direct line of inheritance from RALO leadership thru ALAC representation. We know it is a presumption without merit, especially if worthwhile contributions to policy discussions is the objective for the At-Large in ICANN. >>> >>> It is always wrong to think of travel funding to ICANN f2f meeting as a benefit to a volunteer! It is not and cannot be! >>> >>> ALAC representation compels attending three (3) f2f meetings per annum. They are coincident with the ICANN meetings. In this context, travel funding is purely part of the infrastructural cost to fulfill an obligation. Otherwise it is like working for a company that has business far removed from my place of domicile and expect performance without provisioning the tools that enable that performance. >>> >>> It rankles me personally when my contributions in both time and treasure to the ICANN enterprise is neither accounted or valorized. Then insult is added to my injury when some goof equates a trip sitting in steerage for upwards of 17+ hours [the flight time from Chicago to New Delhi] as a benefit! >>> >>> I travel by air a lot for work; the miles are now counted in millions. In the years I sat as an ALAC member + the incumbent Secretariat for LACRALO and as a senior staffer at The University of the West Indies, I contributed my vacation time of 3 weeks to ICANN for attending f2f meetings. This does not count the average 20+ hours per week I normally dedicate to ICANN matters. Nor my personal spend of a minimum of US$500 to attend said meetings! These all contribute to ICANN having a real opportunity to record it is indeed multi-stakeholder, is fulfilling its AoC obligations and has contributions from end user representatives to its policy development. >>> >>> Back in time, I was roundly criticised by some of my At-Large colleagues for my position in dealing with so-called ALAC 'tourists'. This matter came to the top in India; LACRALO representatives to ALAC were accused of abandoning ALAC business for a tour of Indian tourist sites. This still haunts the At-Large in ICANN circles. My firm stand against any sanctions or additional criteria applied for travel support funding was interpreted as 'protecting' the members accused from sanctions for inattention to duty. That was never my objective and it still is not the case today. I just cannot accept the notion that travel funding is a benefit to the volunteer. I shall, on principle, oppose any such notion, howsoever derived or configured. >>> >>> Finally, in the chat we heard talk of a 'reviewer' being appointed. While the roles and responsibilities of such a person/actor is not yet outlined, let us be clear to ring fence and give specific instructions as to what we are trying to achieve here. We must recognize from principles that volunteers give as much as they can to the cause. The contributions in time and treasure of a Olivier Crepin-Leblond or Cheryl Langdon Orr cannot be used as a benchmark for either engagement or indeed, worthwhile contributions. >>> >>> Best, >>> -Carlton >>> >>> ============================== >>> Carlton A Samuels >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >>> ============================= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>> >>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… ) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/10a3359d89.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by h.raiche＠internode.on.net Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: h.raiche(a)internode.on.net Hola Carlton Sólo una nota rápida - para gente como yo, sólo puedo hacer tantas llamadas al 0200 (no soy otra CLO), pero no lee las transcripciones de reuniones, y no participar en los debates sobre la línea, por lo que ser un poco cuidadoso en lo que se entiende por la participación. Dicho esto, las continuas disculpas - y nada más - debe ser un valor de cero Acebo El 09 de agosto 2015, a las 09:39 am, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > +1. > > The challenge is adjusting the structural underpinnings of the At-Large engagement in ICANN and the perceptions of performance. And that will be difficult, at best. > > More to the point, we are not seeing the kind of innovative thinking about performance metrics that would make what you and I see as value come to the top. > > Case in point. We had a recent situation in LACRALO where it was seriously proposed that if one sends an apology for non-attendance - note well, purely not attending - an online meeting, that should be counted as participation! > > And, some benighted fella would claim offense if one were to reflexively say aloud that the notion as expressed offends even the commonsensical idea of what is stupid. > > -Carlton > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > ============================= > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> wrote: > Dear Alan, > > agreed on all your other points. > > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who > genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a relationship > with people who do not make the effort to keep involved in between face > to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify people who have a > genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their involvement in face > to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 years. > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available for > developing nations. > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. For > example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we know > to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN Accountability - > let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to impeccable > accountability. etc. > > Kind regards, > > Olivier > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/77d86e8b05.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Estimado Alberto: Siempre es un desafío a escribir en Inglés para esta lista. No solo porque la traducción / interpretación es mierda. Pero a menudo porque venimos desde diferentes perspectivas. Cuando escribo, por favor entienda que es de sentido, no se siente. Tengo la sensación de que usted no está satisfecho que me refiero y uso el ejemplo de la propuesta 'Disculpa como la participación' regla en mis argumentos. Me siento aliviado de que no está negar el hecho. Así que tal vez te sientas te culpo por ello que se ofrece en primer lugar. Dios nos libre! Yo lo uso como una metáfora. Debido a mi mente simplemente sugiere que, una estado de la mente se comunica. Que esta construcción no es la superficie y no puede ser positivo para la mente que lo entregó. Esto es lo más. Desarrollo de políticas y el asesoramiento son nuestros objetivos.Ese incidente degrada realmente mi confianza que tenemos las herramientas que necesitamos para sugerir consejos de desarrollo de políticas significativas y sonido. Y como ustedes saben, son todos los interesados \u200b\u200bque el LACRALO general de lucha para contribuir aquí. La traducción puede ser defectuosa, pero parece que podría haber sido amenaza 'expulsión' de becas para mis opiniones. Tomo nota de esta impulso para suprimir la crítica al contemplar la censura. Así que ya sabes, detesto la censura de la misma manera que detesto la hipocresía. Usted tiene un papel como Presidente de LACRALO. Lo conozco bien, me lo redactó. No mirarlo de nuevo. Saludos cordiales, -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= 08.08.2015 19:02 GMT-05: 00 Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> : > Estimado Carlton, el tema de las disculpas habÃa sido charlado alguna vez > hace tiempo en alguna reuniÃ³n de ALAC, y por eso estaba siendo tratado en > LACRALO y quizÃ¡s no habrÃa que citarlo como una estupidez, sino como una > colaboraciÃ³n. Se discutiÃ³ y se quitÃ³. > AdemÃ¡s, al momento que se planteÃ³ quitarlo, fue quitado. Pese a ello es la > tercera vez que lo estÃ¡s citando como ejemplo. > QuizÃ¡s la mejora del lenguaje en las reuniones y en las listas, sea otra > herramienta valiosa para lograr mayor participaciÃ³n. El lenguaje > inadecuado, > o grosero o insultante, es una causal de alejamiento de los miembros. > Saludos > Alberto > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de > carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > Enviado el: sÃ¡bado, 8 de agosto de 2015 8:41 p. m. > Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: LACRALO-EN <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC > <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y > expectativas Taskforce > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce > De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > 1. > > > El reto estÃ¡ ajustando las bases estructurales de la At-Large > participaciÃ³n en ICANN y las percepciones de desempeÃ±o. Y eso serÃ¡ > difÃcil, > en el mejor. > > > MÃ¡s al punto, no estamos viendo el tipo de pensamiento innovador acerca > mÃ©tricas de rendimiento que harÃa lo que tÃº y yo vemos como el valor de > venir a la cima. > > > Caso en punto. Tuvimos una situaciÃ³n reciente en LACRALO donde estaba > seriamente propuso que si uno envÃa una disculpa por la falta de > asistencia > - * NOTA bien, puramente no asistir * - una reuniÃ³n en lÃnea, que deben > ser > contados como participaciÃ³n! > > > Y, algunos chico ignorante afirmarÃa delito si uno fuera a reflexivamente > decir en voz alta que la nociÃ³n expresada ofende incluso la idea de sentido > comÃºn de lo que es estÃºpido. > > > -Carlton > > > > > ============================== > Carlton Un Samuels > MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 > * Estrategia, PlaneaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y plazos de entrega * > ============================= > > > El SÃ¡bado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > <ocl(a)gih.com> > escribiÃ³: > > > > Dear Alan, > > > > agreed on all your other points. > > > > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people > > who genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a > > relationship with people who do not make the effort to keep involved > > in between face to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify > > people who have a genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their > > involvement in face to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 > years. > > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people > > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real > > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available > > for developing nations. > > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people > > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. > > For example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we > > know to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN > > Accountability - let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to > > impeccable accountability. etc. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Olivier > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8f219eefcb.html --]]

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